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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Topic started by: kazza57 on Monday 23 July 12 07:29 BST (UK)
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HI
I am trying to find a birth of Ann TREHARN who married Lewis JONES in May 1818 Cadoxton Juxta Neath. I have the banns of marriage but doesn't give me an age to go by or the parents names. Any help is appreciated.
Thank you.
Kazza.
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FreeRegSearch has -
Ann Treharn, baptised Llangynwyd Parish Church, 13 May 1796, parents Richard and Margaret.
The parish of Llangynwyd Higher was originally (1837) in the Neath Reg District
possibility?
regards
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Are they still in Cadoxton in 1841?
There's a family there headed by a Lewis Jones, 50, and wife, Ann, 40. HO107/1421/5/10/11
The 1841 used aged rounding for those of 15 and over, so Ann would be 40-44 - probably fitting with HT's find.
(However, others in the household over 15 are not rounded :-\ )
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Hello,
Yes this is the same family I found on the 1841census in Cadoxton which I thought to be them also.
Not sure where Ann Treharn was born or her parents were made it a little difficult to assume this was correct.
I see they had 10 children. The one I'm concerned about is John Jones age 15 on the 1841 census. He married Sarah REES but I have not been able to find this marriage. John and Sarah's first born was Ann Jones b1853 would getting her birth certificate
help me tie this together? Any other suggestions please would help.
Kind regards
Kazza.
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Have you located lewis and ann in later census returns ? What were the details.
What about john and sarah? Do you have census info later for them. does she give a place of birth that may help find the marriage?
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Yes have located John and Sarah Jones in 1861 census - birthplace just says Glamorgan Swansea. Then nothing after that as they died of cholera in 1866. Daughter Ann has same birthplace.
I have found Lewis and Ann Jones - parents of John above, in later census's.
With the JONES name it's becoming very difficult to make sure I am getting the right ones related.
Why is there no marriage of John Jones and Sarah Rees. Did they get married?
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There are 5 marriages on freebmd with a john jones on the same page as a sarah rees between 1841 and 1853 but none in swansea.
Have you found john in 1851 as this would futher narrow the date of any possible marriage.
Other things to consider
- they never married
- they are transcribed incorrectly
- they were missed from gro index - try looking in parish records
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The Lewis Jones of the family posted by Brevitas isn't on any later census as he died before 1851. It also looks like John may have died as there is another younger one.
Tynllecha Ishaf, Cadoxton juxta Neath HO107/2464 folio 336 pg 7
Ann Jones head widow 58
Lewis son 26 tinner in tin works
Ann dau 24
Griffith son 19 washman in tin works
Margaret dau 18
David son 15 washman in tin works
Ebenezer son 11
John son 9
Jenkin son 1
Margaret Davies visitor 2
all born Cadoxton
Lewis was buried 15/8/1849 in Cadoxton parish church, age given as 63, address matches 1841 & 1851 census.
There's another Ann Treharn baptism that's possible 15/6/1794 Neath St Thomas dau of William & Elizabeth
Tthis would seem to be the wrong family for your John unless they had 2 sons called John.
The 1861 for John & Sarah doesn't give their place of birth as Swansea, just Glamorgan. There is no ditto from the person above on the census page who was born in the parish of Swansea.
Reed Fach, Swansea Lower RG9/4107 folio 38 pg 3.
John Jones head mar 35 labourer
Sarah wife 39
Ann dau 8
Mary dau 5
Gwillim son 3
all born Glamorgan
If you don't have Ann's birth certificate, how do you know what her mother's maiden name was?
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Thanks for the reply.
First yes Lewis Jones died in Aug 1849. I found his death on FreeReg.
I too wondered how a younger John was born to Ann but after a friend checked find my past John and Jenkin the 2 last children on 1851 census belong to John and Margaret Jones b. 1842 and Jenkin Jones b. 1851 to William and Jennett. Not sure why it gave them as son's to Ann Jones.
So as far as it works out this is my family.
The Reed Fach family I am picking as mine from other research. I know that John JONES married Sarah REES because I have their son David born 1864 birth cert which gives the mother as Sarah REES and he is my great grandfather. He came to Australia then New Zealand and I have his death certificate as mother's maiden name Sarah REES.
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Thanks WelshJo, no I haven't found John JONES on the 1851 census yet. Still looking for him.
For Parish records would I need to belong to Find my Past or is there another site available please?
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as with most parish records, there isn't one site that has them all. Findmypast has some, FreeReg and FamilySearch. Also, not all events are recorded in parish records.
Where did your friend find the info about Jenkin & John? The census shows them enumerated as sons & born Cadoxton. There is a baptism for Jenkin son of William & Jennet, but it's in 1852 and another parish - Llantwit juxta Neath.
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/GLAImgMap.html
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Oh dear this is becoming confusing now. My friend said she found them with the parents I mentioned. Maybe they are grandson's of Ann JONES?
I was certain she checked Find my Past for them.
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well, thankfully, I've just spotted John in 1861 and he is a grandson
Tynllechau Isha, Cadoxton juxta Neath RG9/4093 folio 6 pg 5
Ann Jones head widow 66 retired farmer
Margret dau 25
Ebenezer son 20 moulder
John Jones grandson 19 furnaceman in works
all born Cadoxton
Ebenezer's name is hard to mark out and he was the one I'd been searching for as it's a more unusual name. Looks like it begins with a g, but if you look at the Elizabeth in the next household, you can see that the enumerator wrote his es like that. Ebenezer is still at Tynllecha in 1881.
;)
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this 1871 census ties in the family nicely!
Tynllecha, Blaenhonddan, Cadoxton RG10/5436 folio 59 pg 7
David Jones head 33 tinplate washman
Ebenezer brother 29 tinplate shearer
Margreat sister 35 housekeeper
Gwilym nephew 13
David nephew 6
all born Glamorgan
I wonder if, given that Sarah is older than John, she was married previously and therefore married him as something other than Rees? Is there any mention of another name on the birth cert? It should say, Sarah Jones, formerly Rees, late ? if she had married before.
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Well the plot does thicken. lol
I have got Ebenezer right through to the 1911 census, he married Rachel REES later in life 26 March 1894 I have the marriage certificate with father Lewis JONES. Yes Ebenezer is Abenezer on one census and Eleanor on another but on the image it says Ebenezer so his name was recorded wrong in places. The place he lived at Blaenhonddan Cadoxton saved me several times.
I also have that 1871 census same family which I thought was mine. I have a death certificate for both John and Sarah Jones and their daughter Sarah in 1866 from Cholera. I was told that the 2 boys David and Gwilym went to live with the uncles in Cadoxton which proves this on the 1871 census. I also have John Jones Will which states the same. Ann Jones was left the estate until the others were of age.
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Ok I have found them on the 1861 census too. So John Jones b. 1842 is a grandson so that solves that issue. How did you get Ebenezer from Ghangred Jones?? I would not have looked at this census because of that name.
Now back to John JONES and Sarah nee REES. (1861 census) On the birth of their children Sarah and David it states Sarah Jones formerly REES of Blackpill Lane. I have been told they were market gardeners there.
Maybe you are right and Sarah Rees married prior. Now this David I talk about is my great grandfather, like I said his death cert in NZ has his mother maiden name as REES. I have since found his marriage cert here in Australia and it says his mothers maiden name is MILLS.
David Jones is still on the 1881 census with his uncle Ebenezer and David came to Australia and married in 1895 not sure when he came out or what boat etc. He then went to NZ with his family and died there.
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I was searching for John on that census or I wouldn't have looked at someone transcribed as Ghangred. The first letter is an e though and the address is correct.
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Totally agree there, I looked on the image and you can see that it is Ebenezer. I can see now how misleading this can be when names are sometimes spelt how they sound or transcribed how people see it.
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There is this marriage - a bit late but these things did happen ..............?
June q, 1862, Neath, 11a 565 - John Jones and Sarah Rees on the same page
I don't see anything in the parish records so any marriage would probaly be a non-conformist/civil ceremony :-\
Added - don't think this is the one - it looks as if this couple married Llangiwg :(
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Hi
We have got this marriage and it's the wrong one. Really not sure where to go now.
I see on that 1861 census that you found Ann Jones as widow she was born Cador, Glamorgan. Parish of Cadoxton Juxta Neath so might look around for that year born 1795c.
Kazza
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the baptism I gave you from 1794 is still a possible, but on checking, I found I'd given you the wrong first name for the father. It's not William, but Treharne Traherne.
:-[
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I am not following you on the name? Is it the same name twice for the father of Ann Treharn?
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first name & surname are both Treharne. Possible brother baptised 1797
http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/SearchResults.pl?RecordType=Baptisms&RecordID=9312005