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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: newbe_nz on Monday 23 July 12 02:50 BST (UK)
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Hi There,
I am trying to find out how Hugh MacKEY and his sister Sarah came out to NZ via Australia.
http://genforum.genealogy.com/australia/messages/12415.html
http://genforum.genealogy.com/mackey/messages/1411.html
I understand they arrived in NZ in 1841 on a ship name “Shamrock”
Hugh was born about 1819 in Corker, Killaghtee, County Donegal, Ireland
Sarah was born about 1822 same area.
Sarah married Richard Newdick in 1843 and I have info on this family
Hugh Married a Sarah HANCOCK in 1849 NZ and had the following children
James 1849
Thomas 1852
Hannah 1854
Elizabeth Jane 1856
John 1858 died 1858
Catherine 1860
Edward Hugh 1862
Sarah died 1864 and I think she is buried at St Marks in Remuera, Auckland.
Hugh next married Ellen SMITH in 1865
They had 3 children that I found
Ellen Sarah 1866
George Herbert 1867 - 1953
Arthur 1870 died 1892
Hugh died 1898 and is buried at Purewa Cemetery Block A Row 4 Plot 92
Ellen died 1903 is in Plot 91 same block and row
Arthur is buried with Ellen
George Herbert died 1953 is also buried with Ellen
Can anyone help to find further info on this family please?
I do not have any info as to who Hugh and Sarah’s parents were
Regards
newbe
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Hi Newbe,
I see on A$ty that there is a tree for Hugh MacKey born 1819 in Halifax, York, England, married to Sarah Hancock on 15 Jan 1849 at St Pauls, Auckland, the children for this marriage match what you have, and there are some death dates.
James 1949 - think you mean 1849 ;D
Cheers
KHP
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Thanks KHP, Will go change it.
I have found no parish record when searching A$ for Hugh MacKEY
I am not able to view all the tree but there seems to be no source for their info.
Newbe
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They have Sarah's death as 3 Sep 1864 burial, St Marks, Remuera.
Your library should have A$y and you will be able to view the tree. You need to verify which is the correct birth location though.
Cheers
KHP
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Hi KHP, At our library we are not able to view trees with the library addition of A$y
Death Notice for Sarah MacKEY nee HANCOCK
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=DSC18640930.2.37&srpos=14&e=-------10--11----0sarah+mackey--
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Looks like it is the right couple, the father matches what is on tree.
Newbe, sit back and wait, need another pair of eyes to help with this.
Cheers
KHP
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Will do and thanks for your help so far ;D
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Newbe,
Found this tree, not sure if it is the same owner, or a completely different researcher, looks like you can find a bit more info on children.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0oyv/
Cheers
KHP
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Thanks KHP, Will have a look and see if it helps
Looks like there maybe an owner to contact but not sure
Newbe
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Wonder where Kororareka is. That is where the ship "Shamrock" landed, from what I saw in the notes of the above tree.
Cheers
KHP
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Wonder where Kororareka is. That is where the ship "Shamrock" landed, from what I saw in the notes of the above tree.
Cheers
KHP
Not sure KHP, I may have to google it and find out
newbe
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Looks like Bay of Islands KHP
http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/1966/kororareka/1
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell,_New_Zealand
Newbe
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Ok, only a suggestion, fire off an email or snail letter to NZSG up there and see what they have on their records. They might have something on the ship landing. The family could have stayed up there for a little while before heading off to Auckland.
Cheers
KHP
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Thanks for the suggestion KHP, Will fire off an email to them a bit later today
newbe
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Hello Newbe...
Apparently there's an 1898 obituary for Hugh MacKEY in (I think) the NZ Herald. Might mention if he's Irish or English
NZ Card Index
http://www.aucklandcity.govt.nz/dbtw-wpd/nzcardindex/
then search using...
mackey, hugh
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IFHF has a Hugh MacKEY b.1820 in Donegal, parents John and Margaret.
Also 2 x Sarah MacKEY both b.1823, parents Samuel and Bevin.
Not sure of where in Donegal as you have to pay for that info.
It's free to register and search the index.
Possibly red herrings so think twice before using the credit card.
IFHF
https://rootsireland.ie/ifhf/login.php
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Mundia has most of the trees on ancestry. It's free to register but is a very slow website. I think it will eventually become part of ancestry so make the most of it while you can.
The "Halifax" tree found by KHP is on there.
Mundia
https://www.mundia.com/au/Account/SignIn
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Just curious. How do you know that your Hugh and Sarah came from Killaghtee. Is it just because of the info in the 2002 post to which you linked. Or do you have other proof.
Regards
Beg
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Hi Beg,
Only going by the info in the 2002 post that i found on google.
The lady that posted it is a distant cousin but am waiting for more info her her.
I am not sure about the post from the other guy that has the same surname.
Will have a look at the link you have given
Newbe
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Hello Newbe...
Apparently there's an 1898 obituary for Hugh MacKEY in (I think) the NZ Herald. Might mention if he's Irish or English
NZ Card Index
http://www.aucklandcity.govt.nz/dbtw-wpd/nzcardindex/
then search using...
mackey, hugh
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Regards
Beg
I shall do a another thread for this request as it is not on papers past yet
Newbe
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Deleted .... thought it was the obit I had found ... sorry Newbe
re adding:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0oz7/
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Thanks KHP,
I guess next stop will be his probate to see if that has where he was born in it.
Newbe
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This link says he leaves behind 4 sons and 4 daughters. Arrived Auckland 1841
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0oz9/
Newbe
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It was the thought that counts KHP. A death notice is better than nothing I guess
Newbe
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Have a look at this ..... doesn't give the Passenger list but the day and month
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0oza/
Cheers
KHP
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Thanks KHP, It gives some dates to work with which is good
Newbe
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Some background:
KORORAREKA was the original name for the rather wild and almost lawless trading settlement that became (in 1844) the township of RUSSELL in the Bay of Islands. It is in the (old) provincial area of Auckland.
Kororareka was famous/infamous in the South Pacific as a 'den of iniquity'. Whaling and sealing vessels used to use the port for food replenishment and 'r&r' for the crew! There were a lot of pubs ...
Best wishes
Elli
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Thanks for that Elli, learn something new every day :D
Newbe
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Re the parentage of Hugh MacKey, is it a silly question to ask if you have obtained a printout of his death registration? Maybe I missed this when scanning through the posts? By 1898 there should hopefully be some useful information recorded.
Minniehaha.
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No i haven't yet but would be a good idea for my records and would have ages of the 4 sons and 4 daughters.
Off to do that now :D
Newbe
Edit: ordered death printout and will get it via email. Much easier to read that way as well ;D
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I have received Hugh MacKEY's probate and it does not say where he was born in it.
He had sons
James MacKEY, Thomas MacKEY, George Herbert MacKEY and Edward Hugh MacKEY
Daughter's Hannah McNAUGHTON, Elizabeth Jane FAGAN, Catherine HASZARD and Ellen Sarah MacKEY
I have not found a marriage yet for Ellen Sarah MacKEY as she was still single in 1905 - 1906 or James and Thomas.
James and Thomas have no middle name so makes it a bit harder.
Am waiting on email of death printout for Hugh MacKEY
newbe
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Have now found that James died 1933 NSW, Australia and married a Sarah MORAN in 1878. They had 6 children.
I thought I had found a death for Thomas MacKEY in Auckalnd 1926 but have found from records he was born in England so not the one I am looking for.
So the search continues for the death of Thomas and Ellen
Hugh's wife Ellen died 1903.
I guess I need to find out where all the children were born and work from there.
Newbe
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I have just received Hugh's death printout and he was born in County Donegal, Ireland but does not say exactly where.
He had been in NZ for 57 years
Parents were not named on the printout
Newbe
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So the person's tree I mentioned in Reply #1 got their facts wrong .... always pays to follow up with verification.
The information I have for my family on that site is half wrong.
Cheers
KHP
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Hi Newbe,
The printout was a bit disappointing in that Hugh's parentage was not shown. But at least you were given the name of the County of his birth and not just "Ireland".
Maybe we have to come forward a bit in order to go back? Does that sound Irish??
I note that George Herbert MacKey died in 1953. Perhaps a look at his newspaper death notice may reveal details of his family? If so, it may then be possible to track down a living member of this branch?
Do you know the place of G.H.MacK.'s death?
Minniehaha.
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Yes KHP,
They were going on the info given to them and none of it has been verified from what I was told by them. Might send the death printout to them so they can change their info and show that it has been verified.
I think I will have to email NZSG and see if they have Thomas MacKEY's parents on his death for 1926 as the funeral director is the same one that was used for Hugh.
T J McIvor
newbe
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Hi Newbe,
The printout was a bit disappointing in that Hugh's parentage was not shown. But at least you were given the name of the County of his birth and not just "Ireland".
Maybe we have to come forward a bit in order to go back? Does that sound Irish??
I note that George Herbert MacKey died in 1953. Perhaps a look at his newspaper death notice may reveal details of his family? If so, it may then be possible to track down a living member of this branch?
Do you know the place of G.H.MacK.'s death?
Minniehaha.
G.H.MacKEY's death was Auckland 22/10/1953 died Kingseat, near Papakura according to probate. It looks like at some stage his wife and children left and went to California, USA when the will was made in November 1944
Newbe
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Perhaps a posting on the USA Board Newbe, if you are sure they went there.
Cheers
KHP
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That is a good idea KHP as I have found no death in NZ for George Herbert MacKEY's wife. Her name was:
1901/1257 Emily Eliza Bordenux Eyre /Geoge Herbert Mackey
as recorded on BDM online
1905/2480 Mackey/ Herbert Dudley/ Emily Eliza Bordeaux/ George Herbert
1903/7445 Mackey/ Phillis Norton/ Emily Eliza Bordeaux/ George Herbert
1902/21606 Mackey/ Arthur Eyre/ Emily Eliza Bordeaux /George Herbert
1904/6491 Mackey/ Arthur Eyre/ 2Y
There are 3 other children but not on BDM so will not put names here
Newbe
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Ooops wrong person, didn't see the third middle name.
What makes you think they went to California?
Cheers
KHP
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Hi Newbe,
What was the cause of death? there are a lot of patient files at Auckland Archives,the cause of death might help work out if he was a committed patient or not,as it is not far off the 70yr restriction you may get perrmission to view his hospital file,
Cheers Janette
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Hi Newbe...
Maybe Emily in 1920.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MH4B-RXY
Age ties in with "7c. Emily Eliza Bordeaux Eyre, b. 3rd Mar. 1879, at Putiki " found halfway down...
http://www.archive.org/stream/wiltshirenotesqu05deviuoft/wiltshirenotesqu05deviuoft_djvu.txt
But Emily's third name is different on BDM NZ Births
1879/1072 - EYRE, Emily Eliza Tatton - mother: Matilda father: Dudley Robert
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BDM NZ Births
1903/7445 - MACKEY, Phillis Norton - mother: Emily Eliza Bordeaux father: George Herbert
Might be the Phyllis mentioned on the census
The three youngest children are all born in California
EDIT:
Found on ancestry...
U.S. Naturalization Record Indexes - Phyllis Norton Mackey Busse
Possibly relates to...
1930 US Census
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XCN8-GRH
1940 US Census
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/K98B-5GH
Regards
Beg
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Newbe,
I notice on the Kiwi Index for the Undertaker Records for George, it states Place of Residence Waiheke Island.
W Sibun and sons.
Cheers
KHP
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Thanks for that KHP. I was just going through his will again and it says died Kingaseat. I wonder how long he was there?
Maybe I will send a email to the funeral director and see what his record says
I don't need cause of death at this stage
Thanks for those bit you added Beg. I will give them a good read a bit later
newbe
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Hi Newbe,
What is it you are actually looking for now?your original request was how Hugh got to NZ.
Cheers Janette
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Hopefully find anyone else researching this family.
I am just trying to piece it altogether so I get a better picture
When I get some death dates on his children and death notices if possible I may be able to track down a living member that might be able to help and add more.
Newbe
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Hi Newbe...
There's a fellow researcher on Mundia.
He's got the right surname
Search for the tree of Phyllis MacKEY b.1904 in NZ
Mundia
https://www.mundia.com/au/Account/SignIn
Mundia is free to register and search
Regards
Beg
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Thanks Beg, am just looking at the tree on the site you have given
Newbe
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I have sent them a message Beg with some info from NZ BDM and to let them know I have some other info they may like to see.
ie: George Herbert MacKEY's probate as they have the wrong father listed.
Will wait for a reply to my message
newbe
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I have some other info they may like to see.
ie: George Herbert MacKEY's probate as they have the wrong father listed.
Hi Newbe...
Not looking promising. It seems to be an entirely different MacKEY family grafted onto your MacKEY tree.
Suspect you'll be spreading enlightenment, not gaining :-)
Regards
Beg
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The children's names they have Beg match what is in the probate.
I guess I will wait and see.
I put in the message the births and marriage from the NZ BDM website
If the other 3 children were born 1909, 1911 and 1912 they are likely to be deceased but will not rick putting names here in case still alive
Newbe
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Sorry Newbe...I meant the incorrect father (George Thompson MACKEY) and everyone preceding him is the wrong MacKEY family.
Everyone after him is your MacKEY family.
I'd guess the tree belongs to the g-grandson of George and Emily.
Regards
Beg
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No problem at all Beg. I just mis-understood what was said that was all
I assume it is a g-grandson as well
I do hope they contact me so i can sort it out. I would hate for them to continue with the wrong info
Newbe
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Hi Newbe...
Possibly the obit for the youngest daughter.
http://boards.ancestry.com/surnames.shacklett/157/mb.ashx
Plus a mention at LDS
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JG3N-2J3
EDIT:
Possibly a 2006 email address for the nephew mentioned in the above obit
http://boards.ancestry.com/surnames.witthuhn/10/mb.ashx
Regards
Beg
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Thanks for that Beg
I will put link here for USA thread
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=608822.msg4582313;topicseen#msg4582313
Newbe