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Looking for info on my great gandfather John Thompson born 1833, Hutton, Yorkshire. Lived Birmingham - worked as a Publican ( Queens Arms amongst others), married Elizabeth ?, Children - John, Blanche, Gerald, Maurice, Fred, Albert, Lawrence.
I belive Elizabeth was his second wife - 34 years his junior. Any info on possible first wife and other pubs he worked at/ran would be appreciated
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1881 RG11/3104/76/11
High Street henley in Arden Wootten Wawen Stratford on Avon
John Thompson 48 Innkeeper and shoe maker Hutton Yorkshire
Eliza wife 54 Harpole Northamptonshire
John jnr 16 Sickinghall Yorkshire
Edmund 14 Sicklinghall
Sarah Leeson 74 mother-in-law Harpole
William Shakespeare52 boarder bootmaker
Angelina Horton 18 servant
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1871 RG10/3209/76/10
Henley in Arden Wootten Wawen
Thomas Thompson 38 Cordwainer Hutton yorkshire
Eliza 44 Harpole
Mary A 13 Harpole
Joseph R 11 Harpole
Thomas 6 Wetherby Yorkshire
Edmund 4 Wetherby
Eliza 7 months Henley Warwickshire
On the same page at the top is a John Edkins Victualler of the George and Dragon.
Thomas instead of John a mistake by the emunerator?
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1861 RG9/3209/6/5
7 Back Street Sicklinghall Kirkby Overflow Wetherby Yorkshire
John Thompson 28 Carpenter and wood man Hutton Magna
Eliza 34
Mary Ann 3
Joseph R 1
Sarah Leeson 54 mother-in-law
All children plus Sarah and Eliza born Harpole
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1901 census shows them living at 26 Ford streets in parish of All Saints, Birmingham. Have confirmed that this is great grandfather, wife Elizabeth and children
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Hi
yes I looked at the later censuses so that I knew I was following the correct family.
John certainly had a variety of jobs and seemed to be with others who had the same skills in a couple of the censuses.
I had a quick look for a marriage to an Eliza Leeson on FreeBMD but didn't immediately see one. Of course she may have been married before.
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Don't think the John Thompson married to Eliza Leeson is the one - Looking at 1891 and 1901 censuses - John was married to Elizabeth and they started having kids around 1886 so probably married about 1885. Elizabeth was ~34 years younger than John
The John Thompson that was married to Eliza Leeson died in Canada and we know John died in Birmingham as he is buried in Handsworth Cemetary.
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Elizabeth was John's second wife, as you yourself said there is a big age difference.
In 1861 and 1881 John and Eliza have Eliza's mother Sarah Leeson living with them.
How do you know the John Thompson married to Eliza went to Canada? If it is from a tree on ancestry then they have Eliza Leeson age 23 and infant John arriving n NY in 1850.
Below are some of the children they have of John and Eliza.
Mary Ann born Nanaimo 1856
Samuel 1859 no source
Joseph R 1860 Harpole
Ann Elizabeth 1862 No source died 1879 Nanaimo
Edmund born Wetherby Yorkshire 1867
Plus the other children do not match the children found in the censuses. I am going to have to take a further look at this.
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Eliza Leeson baptised 15 April 1827 Harpole Northamptonshire Father Joseph Leeson mother Sarah. This matches with Sarah and Joseph on the 1851. However Sarah is not on this census with them. Only on the 1861 and 1881 when her Mother is with them.
The tree on ancestry has her on the Irish Immigrants New York Port Arrival Records.
But then have her birth in Harpole!
I am leaving this for now, my eyes are rolling.
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Yep, bit of a problem not helped by John Thompson not being an unusual name I Birmingham at the time.
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Right I have found Eliza Leeson age 24 born Harpole Northamptonshire in the 1851 census.
HO107/1477/19/30
She is a laundry maid in the household of Earl Fitzwilliam - Peer. Mortimer House Halkin Street, St George, hanover Square, Westminster
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OK, looking at the Ancestry.com data it's obvious there's something wrong and it does look like Eliza may have been the first wife. Only problem is that that would leave me with two sons called John, one born 1865 and another born 1886. The joys of a common surname!
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However this may explain why my grandfather John was known as Jack!
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OK, looking at the Ancestry.com data it's obvious there's something wrong and it does look like Eliza may have been the first wife. Only problem is that that would leave me with two sons called John, one born 1865 and another born 1886. The joys of a common surname!
I have come across a few instances when a bloke remarried one of the children of the second marriage was given the same name as a child from the first marriage. An ego trip if ever there was one. :)
I do think this is the first marriage to Eliza Leeson BUT I can't find a marriage record. Their first child was born Yorkshire so it could have been there but Eliza was from Northamptonshire so it could have been there, however she was working in London so it could have been there. Wherever it was, and they may not have married, I can't find it.
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Came back to this after a long long time!
The first John died young and that's why there was a second John from the second marriage.
The first John did however father a child before he died and that child ended up in Canada with a massive family all of who I'm now in contact with and DNA matched to!
Eliza Leeson was the first wife and Elizabeth Edginton was the second.
Thanks, once again, for all your help.
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Hi and thank you for coming back to let us know about the happy results of your research.
It has put a smile on my face too. :)