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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Topic started by: LloydG on Saturday 14 July 12 06:46 BST (UK)
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Greetings from New Plymouth, New Zealand! My ancestor Henry David LLOYD married a "Hannah Huet BATES - latterly of London" in Nelson NZ 24 May 1870. Her birthdate was abt 1849 - but other than that there seems to be nothing else about her arrival in NZ, her parents, or place of birth. She's a bit of a mystery woman. Any suggestions/help appreciated! (Where is Sherlock Holmes when you need him...)
Lloyd GLEESON.
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A possible from the 1851 census:
1851 census
3 Bedford Street, Tower Hamlets, Stepney
John Huett Bates, Head, Mar, 43, Engineer, Middlesex St. George East
Hannah, Wife, Mar, 43, Kent Feversham (Probably should be Faversham)
Mary Ann, Daur, 17, Needle woman, Kent Feversham
John Huett Bates, Son, 11, Scholar, Middlesex Stepney
Emma H, Daur, 7, Scholar, Stepney
William H, Son, 4, Stepney
Maria Laws, Visitor, Mar, 40, Stewardess, Middlesex Shadwell
HANNAH BATES, Daur, 1, Stepney
HO107/1552 folio 293 page 19
Mo
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Hi
If that is, then this is the 1861 . . . . .
1861 RG9 290 98 page6
Bedford Street, Tower Hamlets
Hannah Bates Head 53 Faversham
John Son 21 Stepney
Emma Dau 17 Stepney
William Son 14 Stepney
Hannah Dau 10 Stepney
Harriet Dau 7 Stepney
Ray
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Hi
FreeBMD shows this possibility . . . .
1849 Q3 Stepney 2 482 Hannah Bates
Ray
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Batisms @ Stepney St Thomas (possibles)
Eliza Bates 17 Mar 1837
Harriet Elizabeth Bates 23 Jan 1839
Emma Hurt/ Huet Bates 15 Oct 1843
William Henry Bates 28 Aug 1846
Hannah Bates 15 Jul 1849
Harriet Jane Bates 8 May 1853
Pauline
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John Huett Bates Baptism 2 Jul 1809 St George in the East. Parents John & Elizabeth Bates
Father a Coal heaver, address Blue Gate Fields.
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So who needs Sherlock Holmes when the Team from RootsChat is on your side, huh????
I'm totally blown away by the help you've provided - my grateful thanks, all of you.
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A question re the 1861 Census extract... the father, John Huet Bates, doesn't appear. With Hannah appearing as 'head', is it likely John had died since the earlier Census? or is it just an indication that he was 'elsewhere' at that point in time?
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Hi,
Hannah Bates is listed as a Widow in the 1861 census.
Mo
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Whilst searching for Hannah's arrival in New Zealand, I found reference to a 'Miss Bates, age 20, English, sailed to Hokitika NZ on the ship 'Alhambra' departing Melbourne Australia 27 March 1867.'
I'm betting this is her! There were a number of 'Misses in their 20s' on the ship (English, Scots and Irish) but I don't know if that has any relevance. But there are no clues how long she'd been in Australia or how/when she got there! She does seem to have been a very um... 'enterprising' lass!
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Hi. John Huett Bates (b. 3 Mar 1808, Stepney) was my great great great grandfather, but I don't have a Hannah Huet in my tree... Should I?!
As I have it, John Huett Bates was the son of John Bates (a coal heaver, b 1780) and Elizabeth Huett (b Jan 1784). He married Emma Barnett in 1832 and had 4 children: Walter White (my great great grandfather), Henry Barnett, Arthur & Emma.
John Huett had two sisters, Elizabeth and Mary Hewitt Bates.
I'd be happy to learn of any Bates or Huett connections I'm not aware of!
Dylan Bates
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Hello Dylan,
A warm welcome to Rootschat :) .
As far as I can see John Huett Bates was an Engineer and definitely not the father of your Walter White Bates. He was married to a Hannah and you can see his family on the 1851 census that I previously posted.
Your Walter White Bates parents were John Bates and Emma Barnett. John was a Linen Draper/Commercial Traveller on the census and on his childrens baptisms and marriages. They certainly moved around quite a bit too. On the 1841 Emma and children are in York and John is in Bedale Yorkshire. On the 1851 Emma aged 38 is in Cheetham, Manchester and John aged 41 is in Doncaster.
Kind regards,
Mo
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LloydG this announcement seems to imply she was 'late' of London, so probably just transiting through Melbourne to Hokotika?
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=NENZC18700608.2.6&cl=search&srpos=1&e=-------10--1----0%22Hannah+Huet+Bates%22--&st=1
From the number of Misses on the Alhambra indicates she may have been 'recruited' to come out to New Zealand as a single woman for work purposes (domestic servants) or to address the fact there were more men in NZ than women at that time (future wives). Women/girls were very much wanted in the colony.
A great book for you to read (if you can get it from a library) is 'Over the Mountains of the Sea' Life on the Migrant Ships 1870-1885 by David Hastings.
It is highly likely she was made to travel in 'the virgins cage' strictly kept by the ships matron to ensure her respectability. This was horrible as the women had to stay 'locked' mostly below decks for the duration of the trip to ensure they didn't talk to the single men. Only if the Captain allowed were they to take the air on the deck.
You will probably find she worked as a domestic servant for the whole time before her wedding 3 years(?) later
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Hi,
East London Observer, 26th November 1859
Deaths
On Tuesday, 22nd November, John Huet Bates, Engineer of the London Hospital, aged 30 years.
Hope this helps.
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Another notice has been put in the same paper on 3rd December, 1859
John Huet Bates 30 years Engineer at The London Hospital, aged 52.
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baptism
Hannah Bates
15 July 1849
Parents John and Hannah
Fathers occ. Engineer
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Sorry, didn't finish typing, pressed the wrong key.
Address. 3 Bedford St, Bedford Square
Parish. St Thomas, Stepney
Church Address. Arbour Square
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Hi all - I was beginning to think 'my' John Huet BATES must have been a BIGAMIST!
When Hannah died in NZ in 1894, her Death Cert (only recently discovered) stated her parents were 'John and Hannah (nee Hodge) BATES of London', and this tied in with the info kindly provided by you marvellous RootsChat detectives. Thank you one and all.
Dylan - sorry we don't seem to be related, and good luck to you in rewriting your family history.
Just as an aside, I found Hannah's gravesite (in a very sad state of disrepair) in the old Inangahua Junction cemetery in NZ's South Island where Hannah and her husband Henry LLOYD ran the Junction Hotel, and have had it restored to it's former glory. It is quite an ornate affair. So many of my ancestors lie in unmarked graves, and finding one actually marked but in such a parlous state I just couldn't leave it abandoned and uncaredfor.
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Hi everyone!
Now I'm even more confused :-/
I don't want anyone to go out of their way to help me, but feel a bit stuck. Thanks for telling me I was on the wrong track... I think I must've assumed Walter White Bates's middle name was derived from Huett. (I could swear I've seen his name written Walter Huett Bates)... However, if Walter White Bates's father was just John Bates, can anybody kindly tell me who his parents were? I knew it would get tricky because John Bates was quite a common name (which was apparently often used as a false name by crooks!) Any tips would be heartily welcomed!! Thankfully I've had more luck with other branches of the family! :)
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Hi Dylan,
Its definitely going to be tricky finding Johns parentage as he only appears on the 1851 census as born London Middlesex. I believe he may have died in Manchester in the September Quarter 1851. See also www.lancashirebmd.org.uk which has the death of a John Bates aged 41 in the sub district of Cheetham which is where Emma was living on the Census.
You may already know that his wife Emma remarried on 17th August, 1856 to a William Wright at St George, Camberwell. Her father was named as John Barnett a Silk Mercer. On the 1861 census she gave her place of birth as Bishopsgate.
I think this may be her baptism:
Carey Street, New Court (Independent)
Emma the daughter of John Barnett and Anna his wife of the Parish of St Botolph Bishopsgate in the County of Middlesex Born on the fifteenth of March, 1813 was baptised on the thirteenth day of June 1813.
Regards,
Mo
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Thank you very much - I didn't know these things. I will be tidying those twigs on my tree, and probably resigning myself to the fact that that trail has come to its end... Further back than I thought I would get when I started though. Keep up the good work, everyone! :)