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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: little meg on Saturday 14 July 12 01:04 BST (UK)
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Hi all,
I am researching the Hatfield bushrangers for a little project of mine.
Not a well know group of bushrangers and their life as bushrangers was only short lived. (4 days ;D )
I have a lot of details from Trove newspaper site, lots.
Hatfield, NSW, between Balranald and Ivanhoe.
Year - 1879
What I need is a bit more background on the men.
- Thomas Gorman b.c. 1858 stockman (likely ring leader) -21 years hard labour
- charles Jones, b.c. 1858, stockman from Qld. - 14 years hard labour
- William Kaye, b.c. 1860 , stockman local to Hatfield, NSW - 10 years hard labour
- William Hobbs, b.c. 1846, ex- sailor, deformed arm and leg. cook at Hatfield, - 14 years hard labour.
I know what sentences they got but do not know which gaol they ended up in. The trial was at Deniliquin.
If I can find out where they were born, when they died, if they ever married it will help ad to my files and background details.
thanks in advance
Margaret
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Hi,
NSW Police Gazette 12 March 1879 has a lengthy notices re the arrests, the rewards and promotions for the police offices involved in the arrests.
If you need a copy please PM me.
Regards
Gerry
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Hi there
Back in 1870 the ER has a :
Frederick HOBBS as resident, Yanko
And a :
Daniel GORMAN as a resident, Berregagama
But I cannot see any KAYE there for ALL the Jones listings
On to 1878’s ER
John GORMAN, residence, Landale’s Run (ie Deni Stn)
Michael GORMAN, residence, Deni
William KAY, (no ‘e’) residence, Deni
Jonas KAY, (no ‘e’) freehold, Bunaloo
FOUR DAYS only ... only four ...
someone should have ENROLLED them in a proper training centre for skills development BEFOREHAND ;D
Cheers, JM
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Thanks Gerry, I shall pm you ;)
JM, thank you also, yeah, 4 days. Think they were accidental bushrangers, ;D
So young too.
thank you both,
Margaret
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Have a look at the NSW Archives' gaol photographs, possibly some of your persons of interest there.
http://srwww.records.nsw.gov.au/indexesold/searchform.aspx?id=22
It is very inexpensive to buy copies of the records and they are very nice, high quality copies. They also digitise the record online after you have purchased a hard copy. They can be very informative with details of criminal and personal history.
Debra :)
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With a trial at Deniliquin, would the nearest gaol be Bathurst?
SRNSW has photos of Bathurst gaol inmates in the period you are looking at, and also records.
I'd try there first, if it were me.
Dawn M
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Ancestry has a partnership with NSW SRO at the moment with many of the gaol photos and crim sheets detailed ;D
Cheers, JM PS, little meg, please check for PM from me.
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Would Albury GAOL be likely :)
Cheers, JM
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Didn't know Albury had a gaol (thought they were all law abiding citizens there ) ::) ::) ::)
But I see it was there in 1876, so look at that too.
Dawn M
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The two Police Officers & Special Constable Day were rewarded for capturing the gang of four. The two Police Officers were also promoted up one level.
Senior -Constable Beresford.........£ 30
Constable Power .........................£20
Special -Constable Day ................£50
A lot of money in 1879.
Gerry
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Agh, well of course at Albury the residents would be law abiding, that would be why the gaol was placed there, afterall any escapees would fall into the hands of the law abiding citizens and be returned PROMPT to the main gate without fear or favour ::) ... Well, you see ..... At least that was the 'tale' given by my late great grandfather to my late grandfather as to why Bathurst Gaol was built, so I see am simply expanding the 'concept' to all NSW Gaol locations. Today's Grafton citizens could have done with retelling my tale ..... :( On the other hand, Darlinghurst Gaol was built c1841 ....
So Power gets £20 and William Kaye is discharged from Albury Gaol August 1887 and Thomas Gorman was at Goulburn Gaol after having a capital sentence commuted to 21 years HL on the roads for attempting to take the life of Constable Power. ::)
Cheers, JM
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thanks all, so much help, truly appreciate this.
there is a photo in national library of the 2 policeman and special constable Day.
Day was the man that was shot at when the gang first turned bad. He rode from Hatfield to Balranald to get the police and they in turn made him a 'special'constable.
I was thinking Bathurst the most likely gaol too.
thanks
Margaret
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The rewards were substantial when compared to typical wages of the day.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/page/1430803?zoomLevel=1
Gerry
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Thanks Gerry,
I have that one. I have many of the Trove articles, all I think?
They were actually looking at death sentence to start with, so I guess, depending on your point of view, they got off lightly.
Margaret
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Hello Anyone
Constable Thomas Power was my great,great grandfather ,if anyone could point me in the direction of photos or articles about him it would be greatly appreciated '
Thanks
Peter ;D
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Hi Peter,
most of my information came from Newsarticles in Trove - as show earlier. I have not acquired any other documents.
cheers
Margaret
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Hi Peter,
http://www.antiqueprintroom.com/catalogue/view-raw-image?id=09460cd0588b8c6adfe9e3545ffdad1f
http://www.slv.vic.gov.au/pictoria/gid/slv-pic-aab37619
Trove can be searched here:
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper?q
Debra :)
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Hi.
NSW Police Gazette, 12th March 1879, page 101.
Promotions
Power Thomas, Ordinary Constable No 2678, to be 1st Class Constable March 1st. For vigorous and gallant conduct in the pursuit and capture of armed bushrangers.
Gerry
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NSW Police Gazette 30th April 1884, page 178.
Deaths
Power Thomas No 2678, First Class Constable, March 25th.
Gerry
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A list of the Current and FORMER Gaols in NSW
Operational facilities for adults
Bathurst Brewarrina (Yetta Dhinnakkal) Broken Hill Cessnock Cooma Dawn de Loas Defence Force Correctional Establishment Dillwynia Emu Plains Glen Innes Goulburn Grafton Ivanhoe (Warakirri) John Morony Junee Lithgow Long Bay Mannus Mid North Coast Metropolitan Remand and Reception Centre Oberon Outer Metropolitan Multi Purpose Correctional Centre Parklea Silverwater Silverwater Women's St Heliers Tamworth Wellington
Operational facilities for juveniles
Acmena Broken Hill Cobham Frank Baxter Juniperina Kariong Orana Reiby Riverina
Closed facilities
Albury Armidale Balranald Bega Berrima Biloela Bombala Braidwood Burrowa Condobolin Coonabarabran Cootamundra Darlinghurst Deniliquin Dubbo Fort Denison Grenfell Hay Keelong Kempsey Kirkconnell Laurel Hill Maitland Mudgee Narrabri Parramatta Port Macquarie Taree Tuncurry Wagga Wagga Wentworth Windsor Wollongong Wyalong Yarrangobilly Yass Young
Neil
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NSW Police Gazette 3rd May 1876, p135.
Return of Appointments, &c., in the Police Force, since the publication of the last notice.
PROBATIONARY CONSTABLES
Power Thomas No 2678, February 15th.
NSW Police Gazette 6th September 1876, p277.
Return of Appointments, &c., in the Police Force, since the publication of the last notice.
ORDINARY CONSTABLES
Power Thomas No 2678, September 1st.
Gerry
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Thanks so much Margaret,Debra and Gerry ,this has been greatly appreciated,the resemblance is uncanny to say the least,just to think if one of the hatfields had shot my grandfather in a mortal way,I for one wouldn't be here.My aunty (who passed away some years ago)was doing the family history and she allowed me to photocopy all of which she had,I have a copy of Thomas Power's marriage and a letter from the 1970's from N.S.W. police giving all information about my grandfather that was on file with them.He died on the 25th March 1884.
I have noticed in one particular case from the QLD police in honouring a murdered Police Officer (Beresford) by Aborigines pronouncing my grandfather's name(in the story) as Powell instead of Power,this frustrates anyone doing research for a particular person as it throws them off the trail,they for one should get it right.
http://mypolice.qld.gov.au/sarcis/2013/02/04/murdered-officer-remembered/
Again thank you all for your help.
Peter