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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => London & Middlesex Lookup Requests => London and Middlesex => England => London & Middlesex Completed Lookup Requests => Topic started by: cyokeeffe on Monday 23 May 05 21:16 BST (UK)
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I am looking for a Mary A Halliday (or Holliday), born around 1831 in Rochester, Kent. She had a daughter Emily, born at sea around 1849. Subsequent children were born in Poplar, so I am hoping that she is there in 1851.
The family was at sea again in 1861 (can't find them in a census, and son Arthur born 1861 at sea), and living in Hampshire in 1871.
Any information on Mary and her family would be a great help.
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Hi Cyokeeffe
I have several Hollidays/Hallidays in my tree from Rochester, Kent from around this time.
Is Mary A Halliday her maiden name or her married name - also what is the name of her husband please?
If you can tell me more about her, her children, etc , I will look through my Hollidays/Hallidays and give you what I have.
Claudia
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Not found in 1851 Bethnal green or Whitechapel
Sylviaann
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Halliday is Mary's married name. I haven't figured out her maiden name yet. I have a guess about her husband - but only a guess at this point - I am hoping that the census can confirm that her husband was John Halliday, born 1831 Scotland. The 1861 census shows a John Halliday at sea, age 30 and married. With two of their children born at sea, it seems like a good possibility.
As for their children, here is what I have:
Emily, born 1849 at sea
Alice M., 1855 Poplar, London
Mary J., 1858 Poplar
Florence, 1860 Poplar
Arthur A., 1861 at sea
Ada E., 1864 at St. Botolph's, London
The 1881 census shows Mary born in 1828 in Rochester, widow, living with her daughter Alice (Caines) in West Ham, Essex.
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Have you an address we can look up?
KenB.
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Hi,
I've had a look but all of the Holliday/Hallidays around that time in my tree were born in Rochester, Kent. If your John Halliday is the husband and he was born in Scotland, I cannot help at this time, sorry,
Claudia
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The Scotland connection was a red herring after all - Mary Holliday is listed on the census as porter's wife (MS). The John Holliday that I found was a captain - definitely not a match.
Looking at FreeBMD, it appears that Emily (born 1849) may have been christened in Greenwich, Kent, but I would hate to order the birth cert. when I'm not even sure that it's the right Emily!
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If you get a birth certificate for one of the children it will give both parents names and the mothers maiden name.
Sylviaann
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Hi again,
Take your pick of one of these - I think you will have to apply for one of Emily's siblings to get the real names of the parents before you can apply for the one you think is Emily. Then when you aplly for Emily's you can state you only want it if the parents match.
Alice M Holliday Sep 1854 Poplar 1c/587
Mary J Holliday Mar 1858 Poplar 1c/640
Florence Isabel Holliday Dec 1859 Poplar 1c/642
Ada Eleanor Holliday Mar 1864 London City 1c/73
When you know the parents names for sure, let me know and I'll re-look at my Holliday/Halliday info for you,
Good luck,
Claudia
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Thanks so much - I suppose that I will only need one certificate - I will let you know when I have received it.
Claudia O'Keeffe
ps- I like your name!
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I just received the birth cert. for Alice Maud Holliday -
Her parents were Thomas Holliday and Mary Ann Cressy. I know that Mary Ann was born in Rochester, Kent, but I have no idea where Thomas was born.
Thomas and Mary Ann were married 28 March 1846 in Strand, London (at St Clement Danes, Westminster). I guess my next step is to order a marriage certificate.
Does anyone have any information on these two?
Claudia
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Hi again,
I only have one Thomas Holliday in my tree at the moment and he was born too late 1877.
I think there could be some link there though as my Hollidays were in Rochester at the same time as yours.
Try to get the marriage certificate next - a generation further back may help and may yet link your tree to mine!!
Good luck,
Claudia
PS Here is the marriage ref
Thomas Holliday and Mary Ann Cressy marriage
Mar 1846 Strand 1/366
Begs the question if Emily was thie first child....
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I now have the marriage certificate for Thomas Holliday and Mary Ann Cressy. They were married 28 March, 1846 at the Parish Church, St. Clement Danes, Middlesex.
Thomas listed as 'full age', bachelor, mariner
father John Holliday, draper, living at 9 Bisterne Place, Poplar
Mary listed as 'full age', spinster
father John Duncan Cresey, master mariner, living at 1 Thanet Place
witnesses were Ann Smith, Jno. D. Cresey, E. Cresey
I have found Mary's mother in the 1851 census, but I can't seem to find anyone else. I expect Thomas H. and John C. were away at sea quite a bit.
Any ideas where I can go from here?
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Hi Claudia,I checked the address where John Holliday lived( 9 Bisterne Place)but no luck there. At number 27 there is the Hepworth family,of whom John the head is a Iron ship builder. A visitor at the house is
Thomas Holliday 33 married Engineer born Yorks Leeds.Coincidence?
Kenb
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Looks promising - which census is this on - presume 1851.
Great if it is as this could be the right one and therefore we have the birthplace of Thomas!
Claudia
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Yep,1851.The Hepworth family also came from Yorkshire(Wakefield)
Ken
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Thank you very much for all of your help.
I don't think that the Thomas Holliday at 27 Bisterne Place is the one, though it is quite a coincidence! I think I found this Thomas Holliday on the 1861 census - and he is married to someone named Ann. My Thomas's wife is in the 1851 census with her family, and her occupation is listed as "receiving money from her husband who is a steward on an Indiaman".
I did find a Thomas Holliday on the GRO index who died in South Stoneham, Hampshire in 1873 (age 53), so the age is about right. South Stoneham is where his wife Mary was living at the time of the 1871 census - listed as a Chief Steward's Wife. In the 1881 census Mary is listed as a widow.
I have found reference to records of British Mariners at Kew. I guess I will have to look there to find Thomas.
Claudia