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Title: beatrice biggs
Post by: arry on Wednesday 11 July 12 15:39 BST (UK)
Hi ,
could somebody please confirm , which BEATRICE BIGGS belongs to RICHARD HENRY BIGGS married 1894 POPLAR london ,
From free bmd,
BEATRICE BIGGS Mar 1905 1c 519,POPLAR.
BEATRICE MAY BIGGS Jun 1905 1c 536  POPLAR.
BEATRICE MAY BIGGS Sep1906 7a 198 POPLAR.
hope you can help and many thanks Arry. ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: beatrice biggs
Post by: patrish on Wednesday 11 July 12 16:10 BST (UK)
Without sending for each birth, its going to be difficult unless they were all baptised in that area and someone has access to them locally.  I dont think there are any online available for those years  :-\

You can always send for the birth giving the fathers name as a reference, then if its wrong they dont charge as much.

Do you know who Richard Henry married, ???  then perhaps a search through the 1911 census index might help
Title: Re: beatrice biggs
Post by: junev on Wednesday 11 July 12 16:25 BST (UK)
hi,

The 1906 7a 198 is a Leicester registration; there is also a death of a Beatrice Dorothy  Biggs aged 1 in Poplar in 1906 so perhaps this is the March 1905 child who was perhaps given the name Dorothy at her baptism??

Junev
Title: Re: beatrice biggs
Post by: patrish on Wednesday 11 July 12 17:19 BST (UK)
Looking at the marriage index's  on the same page as Richard Henry Biggs 1894 Poplar a Susannah Bailey and Emma Allwood.

On the 1901 there is a Richard Henry Biggs 29 born Dartford with wife Emma 30 born Poplar with 3 other children 6.3. and 1  living Guildford Rd. Poplar.

Minnie 6, Elsie ? 3 and Nellie 1 all born Poplar



Title: Re: beatrice biggs
Post by: rosie99 on Wednesday 11 July 12 17:23 BST (UK)
hi,

The 1906 7a 198 is a Leicester registration; there is also a death of a Beatrice Dorothy  Biggs aged 1 in Poplar in 1906 so perhaps this is the March 1905 child who was perhaps given the name Dorothy at her baptism??

Junev

To eliminate  :-\   Beatrice Dorothy Biggs was christened 11th Dec 1904 dtr of George Joseph and Catherine Biggs,
Title: Re: beatrice biggs
Post by: rosie99 on Wednesday 11 July 12 17:29 BST (UK)
Do you have her in 1911 Arry ?

Rosie
Title: Re: beatrice biggs
Post by: patrish on Wednesday 11 July 12 18:10 BST (UK)
Found the marriage of Richard Henry Biggs to Emma Allwood in Poplar 28th June 1894

Richard Henry Biggs 22 Batchelor, 23 a Tinsmith or  maybe Twineman  :-\ St. Leonards Rd. father John Biggs Shipwright.

Emma Allwood 22 Spinster 24 or 29 ? Guildford Rd. father Wm Henry Allwood, Labourer dec.

Witnesses Daniel ? and Ellen Allwood.

At this stage it still doesent help with Beatrice unless we can find the family in 1911









 
Title: Re: beatrice biggs
Post by: arry on Wednesday 11 July 12 19:06 BST (UK)
Hi,
Thanks for that ,i will find out on Tuesday and update family then ,you see i help out at age concern with people doing genealogy lesson,s and we hunted everywhere to find her to no avail ,i will get the full family on tuesday ,many thanks to you all ,hopefully between us we can get some clues ,again my thanks
Title: Re: beatrice biggs
Post by: arry on Tuesday 17 July 12 12:25 BST (UK)
hi,
now i,m confused, we have found a conundrum,HENRY RICHARD BIGGS married 1894 ROTHERHITHE,to Sarah H ? in 1901 census they are in ROTHERHITHE ,with 4 children ,in 1911 census ,SARAH is living with Brother in law ALBERT in Rotherhithe with only 2 children ,something happened between 1901 and 1911,then we have another marriage for HENRY RICHARD BIGGS 1907 ,what happened in between ,any one know ??HELP,many thanks arry
Title: Re: beatrice biggs
Post by: arry on Tuesday 17 July 12 12:27 BST (UK)
Hi
sorry should have said the beatrice in question is a relative of my age concern man ,he has actually met her before she passed away,
Title: Re: beatrice biggs
Post by: rosie99 on Tuesday 17 July 12 13:59 BST (UK)
Arry,

Could you please give us details of the family in 1901.

Rosie
Title: Re: beatrice biggs
Post by: avm228 on Tuesday 17 July 12 14:14 BST (UK)
HENRY RICHARD BIGGS married 1894 ROTHERHITHE,to Sarah H ?

I am struggling to find such a marriage on FreeBMD ???

The Richard Henry BIGGS who married Emma in Poplar in 1894 does not seem to have had a daughter Beatrice in the first decade of the 20th century - or at least not one who survived.
Title: Re: beatrice biggs
Post by: rosie99 on Tuesday 17 July 12 14:21 BST (UK)
Arry

We seem to be switching from
a) Richard Henry Biggs married 1894 Poplar (Patrish has given you details of that one, he married an Emma)

b) Henry Richard Biggs married 1907 - presumably you mean the June qtr 1907 Wandsworth one.

Can we go back to what you actually know about Beatrice Biggs, did she marry, where did she live etc.  ;)   Perhaps you could post details of the families from the 1901 census, where was Sarah born. I can't see any Sarah Biggs that would 'fit' in Rotherhithe in 1901

Rosie

Title: Re: beatrice biggs
Post by: Ladyhawk on Tuesday 17 July 12 15:40 BST (UK)

BEATRICE MAY BIGGS Jun 1905 1c 536  POPLAR.


Public tree on ancestry gives following
Beatrice May Biggs born 8 May 1905 died 1992 Barking Essex - No parents named  ???
married 1929 George Joseph Kneller b1906 died 1974 (4 living children – not named)

If you use FreeBMD search by surname & mother’s maiden name this will give you the names of her 4 children http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

If this might be the right Beatrice Biggs obtaining her marriage certificate would hopefully give you her father’s name
George Kneller to Beatrice M Biggs Jun qtr. 1929 Stepney vol 1c page 392 (FreeBMD)


Title: Re: beatrice biggs
Post by: arry on Tuesday 17 July 12 16:54 BST (UK)
Hi Rosie .
Yes what happened was he tried RICHARD HENRY BIGGS ,when it should have been HENRY RICHARD BIGGS,
and the confusion sets when in 1901 SARAH H and 4 children are living Rotherhithe,with her parents ,I should have written their names down this morning as i will not see him again until next tuesday ,as i said earlier in 1911 she is living with her brother in law with 2 children ,unfortunately at home i do not have access to census records ,I will try to find her on bmd with what i think is her maiden but not sure and add on when i have i bit of luck ,thank you for your patience ,and please bear with me ,thanks  Arry
Title: Re: beatrice biggs
Post by: avm228 on Tuesday 17 July 12 19:34 BST (UK)

and the confusion sets when in 1901 SARAH H and 4 children are living Rotherhithe,with her parents ,I should have written their names down this morning as i will not see him again until next tuesday ,as i said earlier in 1911 she is living with her brother in law with 2 children ,unfortunately at home i do not have access to census records ,I will try to find her on bmd with what i think is her maiden but not sure and add on when i have i bit of luck ,thank you for your patience ,and please bear with me ,thanks  Arry

There is a Sarah Biggs in Rotherhithe in 1901 with her parents William and Henriette/a Coombs and 4 children Henry, Daisy, Sarah and James.  However, she doesn't have a middle initial H and her husband (also present) is Alfred Biggs. (RG13/397/30/52). She was Sarah Eliza Combes [sic] when she married Alfred Biggs in Southwark in 1890.

Can we rule her out?

Is the Sarah H Biggs you have found thought to be the mother of a Beatrice in due course?
Title: Re: beatrice biggs
Post by: JJen on Tuesday 17 July 12 21:12 BST (UK)
Hi,

Just wondered if this was a possibility  :)

There is a marriage of a Henry Richard Biggs (age 24) Deal Porter to an Eliza Ann Jones - 4 Sep 1896, St Mary, Rotherhithe

1901 census -

Richard Biggs head 31 b. Rotherhithe,  Deal Porter
Eliza A Biggs 28 b. Rotherhithe
Sarah A Biggs 4     ditto
Thomas P Biggs 1   ditto

12 Falford Street, Rotherhithe.

RG13/400/19/32

JJ



Title: Re: beatrice biggs
Post by: Ladyhawk on Wednesday 18 July 12 08:17 BST (UK)

Just wondered if this was a possibility  :)

There is a marriage of a Henry Richard Biggs (age 24) Deal Porter to an Eliza Ann Jones - 4 Sep 1896, St Mary, Rotherhithe

1901 census -

Richard Biggs head 31 b. Rotherhithe,  Deal Porter
Eliza A Biggs 28 b. Rotherhithe
Sarah A Biggs 4     ditto
Thomas P Biggs 1   ditto

12 Falford Street, Rotherhithe. RG13/400/19/32


some further info. about Henry’s marriage as posted by JJen
Henry's father named as Thomas (Dec’d) Lighterman

This looks to Henry on census with parents

1891 RG12; Piece: 381; Folio: 61; Page: 28
Sarah Biggs Head Widow  61
Thomas 30 Deal Porter
HENRY 19 Rotherhithe London Deal Porter

Thomas Biggs Rotherhithe died age 57 (1825) 9 Sep 1882 St Olave Southwark
(written in column ‘when buried’ Taken Out)

1881c 41 Risdon St Rotherhithe
Thomas J Biggs 55 occ Lighterman
Sarah H 51
Thomas B 20
Mary E 13
HENRY R 9 1872 Rotherhithe Surrey

Bapts 9 Jul 1871 St Mary Rotherhithe
Henry Richard Biggs
Thomas James Biggs occ Lighterman & Sarah Hannah
Abode 3 New Street

Sarah Hannah Biggs bapt 20 Jan 1897 Christchurch Rotherhithe
Harriet Mary Biggs bapt 1 Nov 1898
Thomas Philip bapt 14 Jan 1900
Henry Richard Deal Porter & Eliza Ann abode 12 Fulford St

John Edward bapt 20 Nov 1904
f Henry Richard Porter & Eliza Ann abode 2 Elizabeth Place

Can't see a baptism for a daughter Beatrice 1905 ???

20 May 1852 St Mary Rotherhithe
Thomas James Biggs occ Mariner f Edmund occ Mariner
married Sarah Hannah Beech f John Shipwright
by Licence in the presence of John Beech, Edmund Biggs, George & Ann Bland
Title: Re: beatrice biggs
Post by: Ladyhawk on Wednesday 18 July 12 08:32 BST (UK)

now i,m confused, we have found a conundrum

HENRY RICHARD BIGGS married 1894 ROTHERHITHE to Sarah H ? 1901 they are in ROTHERHITHE ,with 4 children

1911  SARAH is living with Brother in law ALBERT in Rotherhithe with only 2 children
something happened between 1901 and 1911

another marriage for HENRY RICHARD BIGGS 1907

On FreeBMD I can’t see a marriage for Henry Richard Biggs to a Sarah in 1894  ???
only 1859 Shoreditch

Dec 1859 Shoreditch
Henry Richard Biggs
Either
Sarah Hale
Eliza Wilkins

Henry Richard Biggs 30 single  Mariner f Richard Commercial Traveller
married 15 Dec 1859 St Leonard Shoreditch Eliza Wilkins
Wits Henry Wilton & Lucy Hamilton

Jun 1879 Mile End Old Town
Henry Richard Biggs
Either
Jane Hannah Cook
Maria Johnson
Louisa Salmon

Henry Richard Biggs single age 24 occ Fitter f George (Dec’d) Master Shipwright
married 7 May 1879 Holy Trinity Mile End Louisa Salmon
wits Charles W & Ellen Salmon

Sep 1896 St Olave (marriage details given by Jjen married Eliza Ann)
Henry Richard Biggs
either
Eliza Ann Jones
Ann Whiteley

Jun 1907 (marriage details given married Emily)
Henry Richard Biggs
Either
Ethel Holder Jewson
Emily Morley

Arry can give you details of the 1907 marriage so possibly you can eliminate this Henry Richard Biggs from your search

1907 Wandsworth
Henry Richard Biggs
To either
Ethel Holder Jewson
Emily Morley

Henry Richard Biggs
age 24 (1883) Batchelor occ Examiner (Electric Light) father George Thomas William Biggs Gardener
married 19 May 1907 St Bartholomew Battersea Emily Morley age 21 f Tom Builder residence of both  91 Beaufry Road
Wits George Thomas William Biggs & George Edwin Betchley

1901 RG13; Piece: 463; Folio: 56; Page: 19
George T W Biggs 47 wife Thirza Ann 45
George T W 22, HENRY R (Richard) 18, Alfred F (James) 15, Charles E (Edward) 12, Sydney R (Kendall)  6 & Albert A (Arthur) 1

Looking at free index 1911 Henry & Emily have only one child Annie b1910


Title: Re: beatrice biggs
Post by: Ladyhawk on Wednesday 18 July 12 11:06 BST (UK)

HENRY RICHARD BIGGS married 1894 ROTHERHITHE to Sarah H ?

1901 census they are in ROTHERHITHE ,with 4 children

1911 census ,SARAH is living with Brother in law ALBERT in Rotherhithe with only 2 children


This is the only Sarah I can see living in Rotherhithe with her parents, 4 children and husband named Alfred Biggs  ???

1901 RG13; Piece: 397; Folio: 30; Page: 52.
9 Neston Street Rotherhithe
William Coombs 50 Southampton occ Deal Porter
Henrietta 51 Salisbury
Alfred BIGGS son in law 33 Bitterne Hants occ Brick Layer Labourer
Sarah dau 28 Southampton
HENRY gd/son 9 Rotherhithe
Daisy (Violet)  6  Rotherhithe
Sarah 4 Bitterne Hants
James 4 months Rotherhithe

Sarah Eliza Combes
f Charles William Porter
Married 2 Nov 1890 St Mary Magdalene Southwark
Alfred Biggs 22 occ Labourer f Charles Labourer
Res Pages’ Walk

Henry Charles William Biggs
bapt 20 Dec 1891 St Mary Rotherhithe
Alfred Biggs lab.  & Sarah Eliza abode 28 Princes Street

Daisy Violet Biggs bapt 15 Sep 1895 St Mary Rotherhithe
f Alfred occ Plaster’s Labourer m Sarah abode 5 Adam’s Gardens

Daisy Violet married age 21 
25 Dec 1912 St James Bermondsey Robert Makepeace 32 Lead & Metal Worker
Daisy father is deceased but named as Frederick  ??? occ Brick layer
1911 Daisy with grandparents & sister Sarah living with relatives (Biggs)

Hopefully you will be able to find out more information about Henry Richard Biggs and eliminate some of the information that has been provided and someone may be able to trace Beatrice Biggs

for info. here's Alfred Biggs with parents & siblings on 1881c

RG11; Piece: 1218; Folio: 39; Page: 13
High Street Red Lion Place Hampshire
Charles Biggs Bricklayer's Lab., Eliza, Rose, Alfred 12 Bitterne , Henry, Charles, Amy & Elizabeth
Title: Re: beatrice biggs
Post by: arry on Wednesday 18 July 12 13:15 BST (UK)
Hi Ladyhawk ,
Having looked at your results ,i now think that somehow ,i have wondered off the line ,i shall see the chap at age concern and see what he thinks ,i,m almost sure that its the HENRY RICHARD BIGGS who married 1896 st olave ,because he keeps coming back to it and he remembers meeting BEATRICE BIGGS ,of course the other alternitive that her birth name is not BEATRICE maybe that was a pet name ,thank you very much for your efforts ,i will repost on tuesday ,hopefully get it sorted .
Title: Re: beatrice biggs
Post by: arry on Wednesday 18 July 12 13:27 BST (UK)
Hi Ladyhawk ,
have just found marriage ,knew i had it somewhere ,from freebmd ,what i dont have is who he married ,it reads  HENRY RICHARD BIGGS 1896 not4 ,ST OLAVE  1d   534,
many thanks arry
Title: Re: beatrice biggs
Post by: JJen on Wednesday 18 July 12 13:40 BST (UK)
Hi arry,

If you look at my post of #16 it is for the marriage in 1896.  :)

Henry Richard Biggs married Eliza Ann Jones.

JJ
Title: Re: beatrice biggs
Post by: JJen on Wednesday 18 July 12 13:54 BST (UK)
Full details of the marriage -

14 Sep 1891, St Mary, Rotherhithe,

Henry Richard Biggs 24 Bachelor, Deal Porter, 24 Ainsty Street
Father Thomas Biggs, Lighterman (deceased)

Eliza Ann Jones, 23 Spinster, 12 Fulford Street (same address as that of the 1901 census)
Father - Thomas Jones, Labourer

Witnesses - Robert Buckland and Alice Emily Buckland

JJ
Title: Re: beatrice biggs
Post by: arry on Wednesday 18 July 12 14:42 BST (UK)
Hi jjen ,
yes thanks to you i think we are getting there ,i,m sure the confusion was he thougnt HENRY RICHARD was married to a SARAH H ??? ,now i see where we were going wrong  will take all this info on tuesday ,but i,m sure you are right ,many thanks Arry
Title: Re: beatrice biggs
Post by: Ladyhawk on Wednesday 18 July 12 15:07 BST (UK)
Full details of the marriage -

14 Sep 1891, St Mary, Rotherhithe,

Henry Richard Biggs 24 Bachelor, Deal Porter, 24 Ainsty Street
Father Thomas Biggs, Lighterman (deceased)

Eliza Ann Jones, 23 Spinster, 12 Fulford Street (same address as that of the 1901 census)
Father - Thomas Jones, Labourer

Witnesses - Robert Buckland and Alice Emily Buckland


for info. Robert Buckland widow 30 Mariner married 24 Oct 1892 All Saints WalworthAlice Emily Jones 22 Abode 12 Barlow Street father Thomas Jones occ Iron Turner (not sure whether Alice is related to Eliza Ann)

See my reply #17
Henry Richard Biggs & Eliza Ann's had dau Sarah

I thought I may have been onto something when I found Sarah's marriage,
one of the witnesses was named Beatrice Cumner
had a look for a Biggs/Cumner marriage thought perhaps Beatrice may have been her sister but unfortunately looks as if that's not the case   ??? - see info. below

Sarah Ann Biggs
22 f Richard Biggs Deal Porter
Married 24 Nov 1914 Harry Martin Kerr Decorator f Harry Martin (Dec’d) Stoker
Res 109 Lower Road  Wits Robert Pestell & Beatrice Cumner

1920/21 Electoral Register Bermondsey & Bethnal Green
22 Clark’s Orchard
Beatrice Cumner
Mary (Ann) Blunt

16 Jun 1920 Christ Church Rotherhithe
Amelia Beatrice Cumner 32 Widow 22 Clark’s Orchard f Thomas S? Jones Waterside Lab.
Walter Blunt 32 Ships Fireman f William (Dec’d)Lighterman

10 Jul 1904 Christ church Rotherhithe
Amelia Beatrice Jones 20 f Thomas Jones Stoker
James William Cumner 22 f George William

children
Sarah Elizabeth Cumner bapt 2 Jun 1905 Christ Church Rotherhithe
James William & Beatrice Amelia Abode 2 Elizabeth Place

Emily Lydia Cumner bapt 28 Oct 1906 Christ Church Rotherhithe
James William waterside lab.& Amelia Beatrice abode 9 Braddon Street

No baptisms available of other two children James William & Charles Robert Cumner

1913/14 Electoral Register
22 Clarke’s Orchard Two rooms, first floor unfurnished
James William Cumner
M Blunt same address

1918 Electoral Register
22 Clark’s Orchard
Amelia Beatrice Cumner

James William Cumner
Private Service No: 202744
Date of Death: 17/04/1918 age 38
Regiment/Service:Lincolnshire Regiment 4th Bn.
Grave Reference XI. A. 6.Cemetery WIMEREUX COMMUNAL CEMETERY
Husband of Amelia Beatrice Cumner, of 22, Clark's Orchard, Rotherhithe, London.


Title: Re: beatrice biggs
Post by: arry on Wednesday 18 July 12 16:15 BST (UK)
Hi Ladyhawk,
Have just found BEATRICE BIGGS marriage ,should be right one as it is st olave .

Freebmd 1931 marriages  BEATRICE BIGGS marrying ? CALLAGHAN st olave 1d 437.

thats all i can get with my facility ,

There are 3 beatrice,s 2 1905 and 1 1906 poplar london but i cannot access rest of info ,
many thanks Arry
Title: Re: beatrice biggs
Post by: arry on Wednesday 18 July 12 16:16 BST (UK)
Hi again thanks again for all the help Arry :) :) :)
Title: Re: beatrice biggs
Post by: avm228 on Wednesday 18 July 12 16:37 BST (UK)
Hi Ladyhawk,
Have just found BEATRICE BIGGS marriage ,should be right one as it is st olave .

Freebmd 1931 marriages  BEATRICE BIGGS marrying ? CALLAGHAN st olave 1d 437.

thats all i can get with my facility ,


If you click on the page number 437 you will get the list of people on that page.  Beatrice's husband was John B Callaghan.
Title: Re: beatrice biggs
Post by: avm228 on Wednesday 18 July 12 16:40 BST (UK)
If your friend can remember approximately when & where Beatrice is likely to have died, and whether she was still a Callaghan at death, then by finding her death record (which we can help you with) it should be possible to get an idea of her likely birthdate.
Title: Re: beatrice biggs
Post by: arry on Wednesday 18 July 12 18:04 BST (UK)
Hi avm228,
Yes i will go armed with all info you have found for me and my thought,s are that beatrice must have been an aunt ?? anyway we shall see and thank you all for your efforts ,Arry
Title: Re: beatrice biggs
Post by: Ladyhawk on Wednesday 18 July 12 19:24 BST (UK)

just found BEATRICE BIGGS marriage ,should be right one as it is st olave .

Freebmd 1931 marriages  BEATRICE BIGGS marrying ? CALLAGHAN st olave 1d 437.


If you click on the page number 437 you will get the list of people on that page.
 Beatrice's husband was John B Callaghan.

possible birth entry for children on FreeBMD ( not named as they may be living)

Mar 1932 St Olave Callaghan mmn Biggs
Sep 1933 St Olave Callaghan mmn Biggs

That’s the only entry for St Olave but there are others
Bermondsey District date range 1934 - 1945

Possible birth entry of Beatrice's husband John Bartholomew Callaghan St Olave Sep 1905 

Death entry Feb 1995 Southwark London John Bartholomew Callaghan birth 17 Jul 1905

1945 – 1961 Electoral Register Bermondsey Southwark (Beatrice has middle initial ‘S’)

1945 Register address 55 Irwell Estate (Borough Bermondsey Rotherhithe Divn.)
Beatrice S Callaghan, John B Callaghan

1961 address No.58 Irwell Estate
Beatrice S , John B Callaghan plus son

a possibility for her death shows middle name as Selina 

Beatrice Selina Callaghan birth 1906 died Apr 1999 Southwark London

Beatrice Selina Callaghan
Birth Date: 29 Jan 1906
Date of Registration: Apr 1999 Age at Death: 93
Registration district: Southwark Inferred County: London
Register Number: A12A District and Subdistrict: 2511A
Entry number: 12

Can't find a Mar qtr. birth entry for a Beatrice Selina Biggs  ???
You would need to check everything out could be the wrong person

Let us know how you get on   :)





Title: Re: beatrice biggs
Post by: arry on Wednesday 18 July 12 20:18 BST (UK)
Hi Ladyhawk,
thats the one ,just seeing beatrice selina ,reminded me what the man was saying a couple of weeks ago ,i think the confusion came in when he put in RICHARD HENRY and not HENRY RICHARD ,but i
,m sure we are getting there now ,many thanks Arry :) :) :) :) I shall of course update on tuesday but i,m sure its right
Title: Re: beatrice biggs
Post by: Ladyhawk on Wednesday 18 July 12 20:51 BST (UK)
Didn't notice this earlier when looking at the Electoral register  ::)
possible sister for Beatrice

1929 Bermonsey Southwark
1 Kenning Street Rotherhithe
Beatrice Selina Biggs
Also at the same address
Edith Dempsey
John Dempsey
Harry Kerr
Sarah Ann Kerr

1930 Bermondsey Southwark
1 Kenning Street
Alice Rebecca Biggs
Beatrice Selina Biggs
Edith Dempsey
John Dempsey
Harry Kerr
Sarah Ann Kerr

FreeBMD birth
Alice Rebecca Biggs Mar 1909 St Olave

Henry Richard Biggs Mar 1902 St Olave vol 1d page 286

info. already given
Henry Richard Biggs born 12 Jan 1902 bapt 16 Feb 1902 Christ Church Rotherhithe
Parents Henry Richard Biggs occ Deal Porter & Eliza Ann abode 12 Fulford Street


Title: Re: beatrice biggs
Post by: JJen on Wednesday 18 July 12 21:02 BST (UK)
Good Spot  Ladyhawk ;D

Also Sarah Ann Kerr is possibly Beatrice's sister, who married Harry Kerr in 1914.

JJ
Title: Re: beatrice biggs
Post by: Ladyhawk on Wednesday 18 July 12 21:30 BST (UK)
Good Spot  Ladyhawk ;D

Also Sarah Ann Kerr is Beatrice's sister, who is married to Harry Kerr.

JJ

Good spot too JJ had forgotten I'd posted that marriage info. (reply #25), all coming together now

I can't find a baptism for Beatrice Selina Biggs  ???

possible birth entry although doesn't tie up with birth date 29 Jan 1906 given on death Beatrice Selina Callaghan  ???

Name: Beatrice Biggs Mar 1905 Poplar vol 1c page 519

Looking back over all the info. this seems to be the family

Henry Richard Biggs b1870 Rotherhithe = Eliza Ann Jones b1873
Sarah Hannah 1897 = Harry Martin Kerr
Harriet Mary 1898 died Dec 1898 St Olave age 0
Thomas Philip 1900 = Ethel Lock
Henry Richard 1902 died age 2 Dec 1904 St Olave
John Edward 1904 died Sep 1906 St Olave age 1
Beatrice Selina 1906 = John B Callaghan
Alice Rebecca 1909 = 1939 Lewisham on Electoral Reg. as Alice Rebecca Carr
living Hilton House St Norbert Rd Lewisham Alice R Carr died age 42 (1909) Lewisham Mar 1941
their daughter mmn Biggs born 1940 Lewisham

possible death entries for Henry Richard & Eliza Biggs

Henry R Biggs Sep 1919 Southwark died age 50 (1869)
Eliza Biggs Sep 1913 St Olave died age 42 (1871)

Edited/added Electoral Register

1906 Rotherhithe Southwark
2 Elizabeth Place (living here 1904 address of son John Edward's bapt)
Henry Richard Biggs

1907 Rotherhithe Southwark
8 Braddon Street
Henry Richard Biggs

1913 Rotherhithe Southwark
12 Debnams Road (dwelling house)
Henry Richard Biggs

1914/1915 Rotherhithe
35 Wolseley Buildings (dwelling house)
Henry Richard Biggs


1923
Bermondsey Electoral Register
51 Swan Lane Rotherhithe
Ethel Biggs
Tom Philip Biggs
Fred Larkin
Frederick Valentine Larkin married 1922 Annie A Kelly
Alice Spokes
1931 same address addition Annie Alexander Larkin, Edwin Larkin, John David Larkin,
George Spokes
1930 same address addition Ellen Spokes

Thomas Philip Biggs married Ethel 1922 St Olave he died Jun qtr. 1941 Lewisham age 40





Title: Re: beatrice biggs
Post by: Ladyhawk on Thursday 19 July 12 10:41 BST (UK)
 ??? mmm... checked earlier Electoral Registers looks be the same persons but to confuse matters Beatrice's middle name is Eleanor/Helena

1933 Bermondsey
50 Monrow Road
Beatrice Eleanor Callaghan
John Bartholomew Callaghan

1934 Bermondsey
50 Monrow Road
Beatrice Eleanor Callaghan
John Bartholomew Callaghan

1935 Bermondsey
50 Monrow Road
Beatrice Eleanor Callaghan
John Bartholomew Callaghan

1937 Bermondsey Electoral Register
59 Irwell Estate
Beatrice Helena Callaghan
John Bartholomew Callaghan
and on same Electoral page
1 Kenning Street
Alice Rebecca Biggs
Harry Martin Kerr
Sarah Ann Kerr nee Biggs

1932 Bermondsey
1 Kenning Street
Alice Rebecca Biggs
Harry Martin Kerr
Sarah Ann Kerr nee Biggs

1934 Bermondsey
1 Kenning Street
Alice Rebecca Biggs
Harry Martin Kerr
Sarah Ann Kerr nee Biggs

1935 Bermondsey
1 Kenning Street
Alice Rebecca Biggs
Harry Martin Kerr
Sarah Ann Kerr nee Biggs

Hope all the info. helps





Title: Re: beatrice biggs
Post by: arry on Thursday 19 July 12 10:49 BST (UK)
Good morning ,
Wow you have been busy, thanks you all very much ,thank goodness i,ve got a printer ,take me days to write this lot down,again my thanks  Arry
Title: Re: beatrice biggs
Post by: arry on Thursday 19 July 12 13:36 BST (UK)
Hi all.
Pure speculation here  ,free bmd for st olave .

birth 1902 HENRY RICHARD BIGGS    st olave 1d 286.
death 1904   HENRY RICHARD BIGGS st olave 1d 126.
Marriage 1907 HENRY RICHARD BIGGS Wandsworth 1d 719.

Is it possible that this is son being born 1902 and dying 1904,death possibly causing break up and divorce ,now we know in those days divorce was frowned on ,but did HENRY RICHARD remarry 1907 ?? as i say speculation will have a look to see who else was there,many thanks Arry
Title: Re: beatrice biggs
Post by: avm228 on Thursday 19 July 12 14:33 BST (UK)
The Henry Richard Biggs who married Emily Morley on 19 May 1907 claimed to be a 24 yr old bachelor and electric light examiner.
Title: Re: beatrice biggs
Post by: JJen on Thursday 19 July 12 14:40 BST (UK)
Hi Arry,

Henry Richard Biggs b.1902 is the son of Henry Richard and Eliza Ann, baptism details -

Born 12 Jan 1902, baptism 16 Feb 1902, Christ Church, Rotherhithe.
Father - Henry Richard Biggs, occ. Deal Porter
Mother - Eliza Ann Biggs
Abode - 12 Fulford Street

The death in 1904 would appear to be the same child.

JJ
Title: Re: beatrice biggs
Post by: Ladyhawk on Thursday 19 July 12 15:25 BST (UK)
Hi all.
Pure speculation here  ,free bmd for st olave .

birth 1902 HENRY RICHARD BIGGS    st olave 1d 286.
death 1904   HENRY RICHARD BIGGS st olave 1d 126.
Marriage 1907 HENRY RICHARD BIGGS Wandsworth 1d 719.

Is it possible that this is son being born 1902 and dying 1904,
death possibly causing break up and divorce ,now we know in those days divorce was frowned on

HENRY RICHARD remarry 1907 ?? as i say speculation will have a look to see who else was

See my reply no #18 shows details of marriage 1907 for
Henry Richard Biggs to Emily Morley  his father was George Thomas William Biggs
also details given 1901 census shows
Henry R age 18 born Barnes Surrey with both his parents George T W Biggs & Thriza Ann

1891 RG12; Piece: 441; Folio: 113; Page: 14
Henry R Biggs age 8 Barnes Surrey with his parents George T W Biggs & Thriza Ann

probably birth entry FreeBMD Henry Richard Biggs Jun 1883   Richmond Surrey

I don't think this is the same Henry Richard Biggs that maried Eliza Ann Jones on their marriage cert. his father is named  Thomas Biggs (dec'd) occ Lighterman)
Henry Richard can be found on the cenuses with parents Thomas James Biggs occ Lighterman & Sarah Hannah see reply no # 17

Thanks JJ for adding the baptism of son Henry Richard Biggs b1902 - thought I's already given than one to Arry