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Title: west australian rintels
Post by: pwh on Wednesday 11 July 12 14:04 BST (UK)
Information given to me about the Rintel line of my family had led me to believe that of the 8 children of Rabbi Moses Rintel and
Elvina Hart only Walter had  left a continuing family line. Entries in  Western Australian newspapers on the the Trove site showed this to be incorrect. Walters brother Simeon married Bertha Waterman in Victoria 17/1/1886. They had a daughter, Grace in
Victoria in 1887 before moving to Western Australia. By trawling through the Trove site i have been able to track them to a limited
extent. Grace attended the Wickllyffe Ladies Collage in 1901. On  23/3/1911 she married Major Jock Campbell. Her mother died
on 26/11/1927 aged 66. Her funeral notice said she was the mother of Grace and  grandmother of Bertie. I have not been able to discover if Bertie had any children. Rintel is not a common name in Australia so i would hope that someone can fill in some of
the gaps or may even be connected to them. Either way i would be grateful to hear from them.

                                                                                                                                               Thanks
                                                                                                                                                          pwh             
Title: Re: west australian rintels
Post by: rosball on Wednesday 11 July 12 14:50 BST (UK)
Hi pwh,
  There are 6 Rintels in the W.A. metropolitan cemeteries index http://www2.mcb.wa.gov.au/NameSearch/results.php
and there are 5 female Rintels marrying in W.A. http://www.wamarriage.info/

I hope this helps ...
regards,
   Ros
Title: Re: west australian rintels
Post by: jen56johns on Wednesday 11 July 12 14:55 BST (UK)
I found a Bert Campbell born in WA in 1921, but can't find a marriage or a death that matches.  

Who were the 8 children of Moses and Elvina?  I can see children with the surname Schultz born to Deborah Rintel first in Victoria and then WA.  There are also children with the surname Stern born to Isabel Rintel in Victoria.

Let me know if I'm on the right track and I'll send you more info.
Title: Re: west australian rintels
Post by: pwh on Wednesday 11 July 12 15:36 BST (UK)
jen 56 johns
          These are Moses and Elvina Harts children
                   Henri john  b 1850 d 13/6/1850
                  isabel         b 1851 d 3/8/1921    c   
                  myer          b 1853  d  8/12/1914
                  edward       b  1854  d by 1921
                  henri          b 1856   d 3/3/1923
                simeon         1858     d  11/1/1919
                adelaide       1862     d   26/10/1916
                walter          b 1865  d   1925
               sarah            b 1867  d   1893     


                                                               Thanks
                                                                               pwh
Title: Re: west australian rintels
Post by: Aussie1947 on Wednesday 11 July 12 15:38 BST (UK)
Hi,

A couple of snippets re Simeon Rintel.

Victorian Government Gazette 5th December 1890 page 4705.
Insolvencies
25th November
Simeon Rintel, saddler, North Fitzroy (assignee, Cohen)

1888 Victorian PO Directory (Wise)
Rintel Simeon, 110 Michael St, North Fitzror.
Rintel H, tailor, 170, Drummond st, Carlton.

Regards
Gerry
Title: Re: west australian rintels
Post by: pwh on Wednesday 11 July 12 16:26 BST (UK)
jen56johns
                   You are on the right track with isabel rintels children. She married abraham Stern. they had three children
                       
                         Eda Ruth Stern  b 1878 d 1879  Melbourne
                         Rita Rintel Stern b  1882  d 1960  Melbourne
                         Ruby Florence  Stern 1876 d 1945  Melbourne
                  With regard to Deborah Rintel i have no information on her. The only thing that comes to mind is Hyam rintel. I believe  he was
                  the brother of  Moses. There was a court case in Melbourne  regarding a man known as the Nunnawadig Messiah. In the
                  newspaper report  Hyam who was a witness is described as being the brother of Moses. The Messiah set up a religious
                 community called New Jerusalem near Wickepin WA This could explain her prescence in WA. Some more research is needed

                                                                                                                                                  pwh
                 
             
Title: Re: west australian rintels
Post by: pwh on Wednesday 11 July 12 16:37 BST (UK)
aussie1947
                   That would be my Simeon .When he died in Perth in 1919 he was the manager of the saddlery department
of Boans  department store
                                                                                       
                                                                                      PWH
Title: Re: west australian rintels
Post by: jen56johns on Wednesday 11 July 12 17:09 BST (UK)
Deborah Rintel married John William Schultz.  Their children:

Emil Emmanuel Schultz b. 1897 Scoresby, VIC  d. 1946 South Melbourne  Married Vera Mckenzie in Perth in 1925
James Frederick Will Schultz b. 1903 Narrogin, WA married Alice Symes in Perth in 1927.  Can't find death in WA
Kezia Rachel Rintel Schultz b. 1903 Narrogin, WA married Harold Gillies in 1931 in Narrogin.  Died in 1988 in Armadale, WA

Deborah died in 1941 in Perth and her husband died in 1925 in Narrogin.

Hope that helps for now.
Title: Re: west australian rintels
Post by: pwh on Wednesday 11 July 12 17:54 BST (UK)
jen56johns
             Trove has come up trumps again. I looked up Deborah Schultz  and found her funeral notice. In the notice was the
information that though she died in Perth she was late of Wickepin. That would tie in with the New Jerusalem. It might also indicate
that she could be the daughter or Hyam Rintel. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction
                                                                                                                                            PWH
Title: Re: west australian rintels
Post by: jen56johns on Wednesday 11 July 12 18:27 BST (UK)
There is a tree on ancestry that has Deborah as the daughter of HYam and Jessie Ann Kefford.
Title: Re: west australian rintels
Post by: Aussie1947 on Wednesday 11 July 12 23:12 BST (UK)

Bit of info on Major John Campbell from the Cycolpedia of Western Australia.

He was born at Edinburgh Castle on 24th June 1876 the son of Lieutenant Colonel J. A Campbell J.P.

Educated in Adelaide and served with distinction in the Boer War with the 1st Western Australian Mounted Infantry.

Gerry
Title: Re: west australian rintels
Post by: Aussie1947 on Wednesday 11 July 12 23:23 BST (UK)

Abraham Stern married Isabella the eldest daughter of Rev Moses Rintel 15th October 1875 at the East Melbourne Synagogue.

Gerry
Title: Re: west australian rintels
Post by: sparrett on Thursday 12 July 12 00:36 BST (UK)

pwh you have certainly done some far -reaching research on the Rintels.  Many of the threads which I have linked  below are regarding the family overseas, but a couple do touch on the Australian history of the family with which the Aussie chatters have helped.

It may make interesting reading for those assisting here.

Sue


http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,523780.0.html
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,554644.0.html
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,579538.0.html
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,563258.0.html
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,579708.0.html
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,606161.0.html
Title: Re: west australian rintels
Post by: pwh on Thursday 12 July 12 01:20 BST (UK)
jen56johns
                   Does that family tree indicate that  Moses and  Hyam were brothers ?  I have the circumstantial evidence that  i
put in the first post but nothing beyond that.

                                                                                 PWH
Title: Re: west australian rintels
Post by: jen56johns on Thursday 12 July 12 11:10 BST (UK)
Yes, it does say that they were brothers.  Parents were Meyer Rintel and Sarah Davies.
Title: Re: west australian rintels
Post by: pwh on Friday 13 July 12 00:34 BST (UK)
jen56johns,

                  Thanks for that confirmation. Sarahs family must have anglicized their name at some stage. There is a report in
the Argus in Melbourne of 8/7/186., It states that  Sarah died on 4/5/1869 aged 85 in what was then Rogasen  Prussia
Germany. It was also at one stage the Grand Duchy of Posen, but now it is Rogozno ,Poland.

                                                                                                                                            PWH
Title: Re: west australian rintels
Post by: pwh on Monday 16 July 12 10:20 BST (UK)
Jen56Johns
                      Does that family tree give any  indications of Sarahs parents?  If there is it would be the first time that i  have
had any information on  Moses Rintels  maternal ancestors.

                                                                                               Thanks
                                                                                                               Peter
Title: Re: west australian rintels
Post by: jen56johns on Monday 16 July 12 10:35 BST (UK)
Peter

I've just found another tree that has photos of both Moses and Evelina.  No parents listed for Sarah though on any of the trees.

Given Moses was born in Scotland, were his parents married there?  That might be a clue or trying to get his birth certificate so you know what Sarah's last name was originally.

Best wishes

Jenni
Title: Re: west australian rintels
Post by: pwh on Monday 16 July 12 11:21 BST (UK)
Jen56Johns
                 That is indeed a pity. Meyer was connected  to the Great Synagogue in Dukes Place London. He was there  till 1817
and was a prominent member of the synagogue. It seems he left London in less than desirable circumstances. The next
proven  reference to him in London is in the 1841 census. This is where it gets confusing. Meyers wife/partners name is
given as Mary, but  in 1843 the report from Brighton gives her name as Sarah, and places Moses there but not Meyer.
Then you have the reprt of  Saras  death in Rogasen  Prussia on 4/5/1869, aged 85. Meyer  was born  in  1785 in
either  Poland or Prussia. Research into the convoluted history of that region would seem to prove that  Poland and
Prussia were different names for  the same region at different times. Given these facts i would think  that they were
married in either  Poland or  London. What  family tree  contains the photos of Moses and Elvina?

                                                                                                                                              Thanks
                                                                                                                                                         Peter
Title: Re: west australian rintels
Post by: pwh on Wednesday 22 August 12 00:51 BST (UK)
jen56johns
                A little while ago you posted that you had seen a family tree that showed  Moses and Hyam Rintel as being
brothers, Whose family tree was this,  and where did you see it ?

                                                                                           Thanks
                                                                                                        Pwh
Title: Re: west australian rintels
Post by: SherlockBones on Thursday 23 August 12 01:34 BST (UK)
'ere 'tis

http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/15696360/person/709707594

Cheers

Jon
Title: Re: west australian rintels
Post by: Schultz on Friday 24 March 23 03:27 GMT (UK)
I am replying to a post about the Rintel family that I happened across when doing some family research about my great, great grandmother. Her maiden name was Deborah Rintel. She was a member of the Nulawading Church of the First Born that formed the New Jerusalem Commune in Wickapin West Australia. She married John William Schultz, also a member of the New Jerusalem Group, I have 3 siblings and 6 cousins that are all her great great grandchildren.
Title: Re: west australian rintels
Post by: pwh74 on Thursday 07 December 23 01:56 GMT (UK)
schultz
                 sorry for the long delay in replying but i have been out of rootschat for a while.
My  new user name is pwh74. this is the first time i knew anything about the Schulz family.
I have a great deal to tell you so please get in touch with me.
                                                                                             Peter