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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: pwh on Wednesday 11 July 12 14:04 BST (UK)
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Information given to me about the Rintel line of my family had led me to believe that of the 8 children of Rabbi Moses Rintel and
Elvina Hart only Walter had left a continuing family line. Entries in Western Australian newspapers on the the Trove site showed this to be incorrect. Walters brother Simeon married Bertha Waterman in Victoria 17/1/1886. They had a daughter, Grace in
Victoria in 1887 before moving to Western Australia. By trawling through the Trove site i have been able to track them to a limited
extent. Grace attended the Wickllyffe Ladies Collage in 1901. On 23/3/1911 she married Major Jock Campbell. Her mother died
on 26/11/1927 aged 66. Her funeral notice said she was the mother of Grace and grandmother of Bertie. I have not been able to discover if Bertie had any children. Rintel is not a common name in Australia so i would hope that someone can fill in some of
the gaps or may even be connected to them. Either way i would be grateful to hear from them.
Thanks
pwh
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Hi pwh,
There are 6 Rintels in the W.A. metropolitan cemeteries index http://www2.mcb.wa.gov.au/NameSearch/results.php
and there are 5 female Rintels marrying in W.A. http://www.wamarriage.info/
I hope this helps ...
regards,
Ros
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I found a Bert Campbell born in WA in 1921, but can't find a marriage or a death that matches.
Who were the 8 children of Moses and Elvina? I can see children with the surname Schultz born to Deborah Rintel first in Victoria and then WA. There are also children with the surname Stern born to Isabel Rintel in Victoria.
Let me know if I'm on the right track and I'll send you more info.
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jen 56 johns
These are Moses and Elvina Harts children
Henri john b 1850 d 13/6/1850
isabel b 1851 d 3/8/1921 c
myer b 1853 d 8/12/1914
edward b 1854 d by 1921
henri b 1856 d 3/3/1923
simeon 1858 d 11/1/1919
adelaide 1862 d 26/10/1916
walter b 1865 d 1925
sarah b 1867 d 1893
Thanks
pwh
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Hi,
A couple of snippets re Simeon Rintel.
Victorian Government Gazette 5th December 1890 page 4705.
Insolvencies
25th November
Simeon Rintel, saddler, North Fitzroy (assignee, Cohen)
1888 Victorian PO Directory (Wise)
Rintel Simeon, 110 Michael St, North Fitzror.
Rintel H, tailor, 170, Drummond st, Carlton.
Regards
Gerry
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jen56johns
You are on the right track with isabel rintels children. She married abraham Stern. they had three children
Eda Ruth Stern b 1878 d 1879 Melbourne
Rita Rintel Stern b 1882 d 1960 Melbourne
Ruby Florence Stern 1876 d 1945 Melbourne
With regard to Deborah Rintel i have no information on her. The only thing that comes to mind is Hyam rintel. I believe he was
the brother of Moses. There was a court case in Melbourne regarding a man known as the Nunnawadig Messiah. In the
newspaper report Hyam who was a witness is described as being the brother of Moses. The Messiah set up a religious
community called New Jerusalem near Wickepin WA This could explain her prescence in WA. Some more research is needed
pwh
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aussie1947
That would be my Simeon .When he died in Perth in 1919 he was the manager of the saddlery department
of Boans department store
PWH
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Deborah Rintel married John William Schultz. Their children:
Emil Emmanuel Schultz b. 1897 Scoresby, VIC d. 1946 South Melbourne Married Vera Mckenzie in Perth in 1925
James Frederick Will Schultz b. 1903 Narrogin, WA married Alice Symes in Perth in 1927. Can't find death in WA
Kezia Rachel Rintel Schultz b. 1903 Narrogin, WA married Harold Gillies in 1931 in Narrogin. Died in 1988 in Armadale, WA
Deborah died in 1941 in Perth and her husband died in 1925 in Narrogin.
Hope that helps for now.
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jen56johns
Trove has come up trumps again. I looked up Deborah Schultz and found her funeral notice. In the notice was the
information that though she died in Perth she was late of Wickepin. That would tie in with the New Jerusalem. It might also indicate
that she could be the daughter or Hyam Rintel. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction
PWH
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There is a tree on ancestry that has Deborah as the daughter of HYam and Jessie Ann Kefford.
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Bit of info on Major John Campbell from the Cycolpedia of Western Australia.
He was born at Edinburgh Castle on 24th June 1876 the son of Lieutenant Colonel J. A Campbell J.P.
Educated in Adelaide and served with distinction in the Boer War with the 1st Western Australian Mounted Infantry.
Gerry
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Abraham Stern married Isabella the eldest daughter of Rev Moses Rintel 15th October 1875 at the East Melbourne Synagogue.
Gerry
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pwh you have certainly done some far -reaching research on the Rintels. Many of the threads which I have linked below are regarding the family overseas, but a couple do touch on the Australian history of the family with which the Aussie chatters have helped.
It may make interesting reading for those assisting here.
Sue
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,523780.0.html
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,554644.0.html
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,579538.0.html
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,563258.0.html
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,579708.0.html
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,606161.0.html
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jen56johns
Does that family tree indicate that Moses and Hyam were brothers ? I have the circumstantial evidence that i
put in the first post but nothing beyond that.
PWH
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Yes, it does say that they were brothers. Parents were Meyer Rintel and Sarah Davies.
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jen56johns,
Thanks for that confirmation. Sarahs family must have anglicized their name at some stage. There is a report in
the Argus in Melbourne of 8/7/186., It states that Sarah died on 4/5/1869 aged 85 in what was then Rogasen Prussia
Germany. It was also at one stage the Grand Duchy of Posen, but now it is Rogozno ,Poland.
PWH
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Jen56Johns
Does that family tree give any indications of Sarahs parents? If there is it would be the first time that i have
had any information on Moses Rintels maternal ancestors.
Thanks
Peter
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Peter
I've just found another tree that has photos of both Moses and Evelina. No parents listed for Sarah though on any of the trees.
Given Moses was born in Scotland, were his parents married there? That might be a clue or trying to get his birth certificate so you know what Sarah's last name was originally.
Best wishes
Jenni
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Jen56Johns
That is indeed a pity. Meyer was connected to the Great Synagogue in Dukes Place London. He was there till 1817
and was a prominent member of the synagogue. It seems he left London in less than desirable circumstances. The next
proven reference to him in London is in the 1841 census. This is where it gets confusing. Meyers wife/partners name is
given as Mary, but in 1843 the report from Brighton gives her name as Sarah, and places Moses there but not Meyer.
Then you have the reprt of Saras death in Rogasen Prussia on 4/5/1869, aged 85. Meyer was born in 1785 in
either Poland or Prussia. Research into the convoluted history of that region would seem to prove that Poland and
Prussia were different names for the same region at different times. Given these facts i would think that they were
married in either Poland or London. What family tree contains the photos of Moses and Elvina?
Thanks
Peter
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jen56johns
A little while ago you posted that you had seen a family tree that showed Moses and Hyam Rintel as being
brothers, Whose family tree was this, and where did you see it ?
Thanks
Pwh
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'ere 'tis
http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/15696360/person/709707594
Cheers
Jon
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I am replying to a post about the Rintel family that I happened across when doing some family research about my great, great grandmother. Her maiden name was Deborah Rintel. She was a member of the Nulawading Church of the First Born that formed the New Jerusalem Commune in Wickapin West Australia. She married John William Schultz, also a member of the New Jerusalem Group, I have 3 siblings and 6 cousins that are all her great great grandchildren.
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schultz
sorry for the long delay in replying but i have been out of rootschat for a while.
My new user name is pwh74. this is the first time i knew anything about the Schulz family.
I have a great deal to tell you so please get in touch with me.
Peter