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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => West Lothian (Linlithgowshire) => Topic started by: tina68 on Wednesday 11 July 12 00:02 BST (UK)
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Hi,
I'm trying to find the grave of my 3xgreatgrand father Hugh O'hara he died January 1871 West Calder . He was found dead in the street after a heart attack . His wife was Elizabeth Mcdermott , I not sure of the area as most of my family are in the Lanarkshire area , any idea's would be great thanks ,
Regards Tina
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Hello Tina,
He's buried in West Calder Cemetery, Section A Lair 52, he lived in Brandybraes in West Calder, the Recorder Thomas Thomas (would be Registrar now) arranged the internment, which means that he is buried in a "common" grave, so there is no headstone.
Can't find anything on his wife Margaret, but she may have re-married. Did any of the family remain in the West Calder/Uphall area as their are a few mentions.
cheers .... Meg
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Hello again Tina,
the 1871 census, shows Elizabeth aged 33, outside worker, born Ireland, living at 17 Forth Street (The Happy Land) West Calder, with Ann aged 12, born Carluke, Elizabeth aged 11, Carluke, Rose aged 9, Carluke, Mary aged 7, Carluke, Patrick aged 5, Carluke, Bridget aged 3, West Calder and Hugh aged 1, West Calder. Seems the majority of the children were born in Carluke. They lived in Mayfield Row in Carluke, on one side of them was Cornelius O'Neil and family and with them they had boarding James Hanlon and family. The Hanlons also came to West Calder.
I've photographed Section A as part of my ongoing project photographing all remaining headstones in West Calder Cemetery, and there is no stone, but I know roughly where A52 is, when next up, I'll take a wider shot of the area, Section is the top right hand square as you walk through the cemetery gates, and take the path right in front of you!! Anything else I can help with give me a shout.
cheers ...... Meg
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Hi Meg,
Thank you so much , I've had a hard time with Hugh and family can't find Hugh birth place or his parents but I do know that Elizabeth and the children went back to Carluke , in the 1901 census Elizabeth had not remarried . My greatgrand mother was Elizabeth b1858 she married David Purvis in Johnstone in 1878 .
I know that trying to find family in Ireland is difficult but I've learnt to be patient , just recently I have had photo's of my greatgrandfather Owen Toner and family sent to me from a newly found cousin in Canada . I was so moved because I thought I would never find where he was born never mind a photo.
Thanks again for help
Regards Tina
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Hi again Meg,
A photo would be brilliant as I live in Yorkshire not sure when I will be up . If you ever need help in Sheffield South Yorkshire I'll be glad to help .
Cheers Tina
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Hello Tina,
Elizabeth died in Shotts in 1902, DC states she was the widow of Henry Hammall and Hugh O'Hara, so she remarried at some time, sadly no parents names on the cert.
Attaching it here for you. I'll look after work to see when she married again.
cheers ..... Meg
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Elizabeth died in Shotts in 1902, DC states she was the widow of Henry Hammall and Hugh O'Hara, so she remarried at some time, sadly no parents names on the cert.
As she remarried after Hugh's death, her second marriage certificate should give her parents' names.
The birth certificates of her O'Hara children will tell you the date and place of her marriage to Hugh O'Hara.
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Don't know if it's her but an Elizabeth McDermott married Henry H*m***l Bathgate 1873.
Hi Tina,I remember the Toner hunt,great you now have a photo.
By the way,tell me,what division are the Blades playing in next season,I can't quite remember ;D
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Hmmm.
The 1881 census has Elizabeth O'Hara, widow, at 92 Omoa Square with Mary, Patrick, Bridget and Hugh. So it looks as if the marriage to Henry Hammall wasn't a lasting success. Could he be one of the two named H*y H*m*l aged over 30 who died between 1873 and 1880?
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Hello Tina,
Elizabeth McDermott married Henry Hamal in Bathgate in 1873, and this mc unlike her DC gives her parents names, will attach it here. Henry died in 1880 of chronic bronchitis in Omoa, Shotts, she's in the census there in 1881 under the name O'Hara, but I can't find her in the 1891 or 1901 census under either name, in Shotts or Carluke, or anywhere in Scotland, also tried variants of both surnames and forenames with no luck. She dies as per the cert I sent this morning still in Omoa, so I think she stayed there, but dear knows what name she was using. I even tried McDermott with no luck.
I see that you've also been in touch with George!! C U soon George, looking forward to it.
cheers ..... Meg
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Whoops meant to say that both Henry and Elizabeth were living in West Calder when they married, they had to go to Bathgate as it was the nearest Roman Catholic Church in the district, want a photo of the church, it's just down the road from me.
Hugh and Elizabeth were married 4th May 1855 Ireland - no place mentioned!! Hugh's birth in 7/7/1868 has their marriage place as Cavan in Ireland, so a wee bit more for you to add.
cheers .... Meg
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Gosh, Meg, what a wealth of info!
I think this might be 1891:
Mrs O'Hara 50 b. Ireland
Patrick O'Hara 25, miner b. Carluke
Hugh O'Hara 20 miner b. Edinburghshire
Elizabeth Mooney 10, granddaughter b. Shotts
Address: 92 Omoa Sq, Shotts
Monica
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How about this entry for 1901...hard isn't it with transcriptions like this!
Lizzie Oharrow 60 b. Ireland
Patrick Oharrow 30 miner b. Carluke
Hugh Oharrow 28 miner b. West Calder, Lanarkshire
John Mooney 23
Lizzie Mooney 21
Mary Mooney 16
Bridget Mooney 14
Hugh Mooney 12
Annie Mooney 9
William Mooney 7
Rosie Mooney 4
Address: 124 Omoa Square, Shotts
The Mooneys are all showing as grandchildren.
Monica
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Wow thanks so much I'm speechless , so much information in such a short time . Meg a photo of Bathgate Catholic Church would be fantastic as my Greatgrandparents were also married there in 1885 thankyou so much for your help and Meg you have sent me my greatgrand mother's birth , my mother will be gob smacked (as we say in Sheffield) thankyou thanyou.
I can't believe I have their marriage details wow again
Cheers Tina
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Hello forfarian
Thankyou for your reply yes this is my family I have found them in 1891 and 1901 census in Carluke once again thankyou I had no idea that Betsy had remarried ,
Cheers Tina
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Hiya George,
Thankyou for the marriage details . Yes the photo's from Canada were amazing they included a family photo of my 3xggrandparents (the whole Bell family). The family resemblance is uncanny .
Thanks Tina
Ps its division 1 but we're all Blades arnt we lol .
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Hi Monica
Thankyou for your reply wow more info more family I can't believe it . I can't download anything at the min because my computer is being repaired and I'm on my phone but first thing tomorrow I'm off to my mother's to use her's I'm so excited .
Once again a big thankyou every one Tina
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C U soon George, looking forward to it.
cheers ..... Meg
Less than two weeks now Meg,I have my blue plaque ready to stick on my birthplace wall ;D ;D ;D
I would ask for a photo of the Roman Catholic Church too as some of mine were wed and baptized in it,but hey I can take one myself soon :)
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How about this entry for 1901...hard isn't it with transcriptions like this!
Lizzie Oharrow 60 b. Ireland
Patrick Oharrow 30 miner b. Carluke
Hugh Oharrow 28 miner b. West Calder, Lanarkshire
John Mooney 23
Lizzie Mooney 21
Mary Mooney 16
Bridget Mooney 14
Hugh Mooney 12
Annie Mooney 9
William Mooney 7
Rosie Mooney 4
Address: 124 Omoa Square, Shotts
The Mooneys are all showing as grandchildren.
Monica
There is a marriage for Ann O'Hara to John Mooney in Holytown 1876.Could they be the parents of these Mooney children.
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Looks likely George. From 1881:
John Mooney 24 coal miner b. Ireland
Ann Mooney 25 b. Carluke
John Mooney 3
Elizabeth Mooney 5 Months
Address: 76 Omoa Square
PS: Two weeks before your trip - you must be so excited and in full countdown by now!
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Yep,not long now Monica,flying round making sure I have everything,waterproofs,umbrella etc ;D
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They lived in Mayfield Row in Carluke, on one side of them was Cornelius O'Neil and family and with them they had boarding James Hanlon and family. The Hanlons also came to West Calder.
I've photographed Section A as part of my ongoing project photographing all remaining headstones in West Calder Cemetery,
Hi, I'm new to RC and am trying to reply with a quote here. I am interested in the Hanlon families of Addiewell and West Calder (originally from County Donegal, Ireland).