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Title: More brick walls
Post by: doosaphina on Tuesday 10 July 12 18:10 BST (UK)
Ok yesterday i found out my 2x great grandparents and i i found birth records on bmd, i also found their marriage but today i can not find their parents. These are the details

Alfred Ratcliff/e b. 1851 epsom surrey d.12/1939 surrey
Louisa Thomas b. 03/1858 Hereford    d. 03/1945 surrey

The other brick wall i am having trouble finding my great grandparents i can not for the life of me find it, i have my granddads birth certificate and i know they were married.

Percy Ratcliff/e d.1892   d.06/1934 surrey
Ada Clarke  b. 1893       d.06/1930 surrey

If anyone can find anything i would be so grateful, i am living in the states and finding it hard to get info on this side of my family.

Thanks
Title: Re: More brick walls
Post by: CaroleW on Tuesday 10 July 12 18:16 BST (UK)
Hi

Per freebmd

Marriages March qtr 1880     
Alfred Ratcliff    Epsom  2a 27   
Louisa Thomas     Epsom  2a 27


Where was Percy born?
Title: Re: More brick walls
Post by: keyboard86 on Tuesday 10 July 12 18:23 BST (UK)
Hi this looks to be Alfred in 1861:-

William Ratcliffe 47 occ Labourer b Epsom
Sarah 40 b Hammersmith
William 19 b Hammersmith
James 17 b Epsom
John 14 b Epsom
Frederick 12 b Epsom
Alfred 10 b Epsom
Residing at Down Cottage, Downs Hill Road, Epsom
Census Ref RG09/419/93/26


1901 Census for Percy:-

Alfred Ratcliffe 48 occ Gardener b Epsom
Louisa 42 b Hereford
Frederic 20 occ Engine Cleaner b Sutton, Surrey
Alice 13 b Teddington, Middx
George 11 b Acton Green
Percy 9 b Acton Green
Bessie 7 b Norbiton, Surrey
Leonard 4 b Coombe, Surrey
Arthur 1 b Epsom
William 57 Brother/Single b Epsom
Residing at 3, Beech Road, Epsom
Census Ref RG13/583/91/26
Keyboard86
Title: Re: More brick walls
Post by: CaroleW on Tuesday 10 July 12 18:26 BST (UK)
An Ada Clark married a William P Ratcliffe in 1929 in Leigh Lancashire per freebmd

Is this your Percy and Ada?

Forget that one - Lancs BMD shows his middle name as Pass

There is no other Clarke/e- Ratcliff/e marriage showing
Title: Re: More brick walls
Post by: doosaphina on Tuesday 10 July 12 18:30 BST (UK)
Wow you guys are great!

The Ada clarke/ Percy Ratcliff/e were married before 1921 as that was when my granddad was born.

Percy was born in acton green
Title: Re: More brick walls
Post by: CaroleW on Tuesday 10 July 12 18:36 BST (UK)
I can see your grandfathers birth in 1921 - registered as Ratcliff mothers maiden name Clarke
Title: Re: More brick walls
Post by: suzard on Tuesday 10 July 12 18:42 BST (UK)
It seems on Percy's birth reg his surname had an e - on baptism record it did not

Birth reg FreeBD
Percy Ratcliffe
Dec qtr 1891
Brentford reg district
iddlesex
3a 140

Baptism

St Albans Acton Green Middlesex
Percy Ratcliffe
born 15 Nov 1891
baptised 6 Dec 1891
Parents Alfred & Louisa Ratcliff
address 42 Antrobus Rd Acton green
father's occ : Gardener

baptised by E.W/M. Norris

Suz
Title: Re: More brick walls
Post by: doosaphina on Tuesday 10 July 12 18:56 BST (UK)
Yes i realized when i had my grandparents marriage certificate that the E on the end of ratcliff had been knocked off.

Seems to be like that for some records, even my granddads siblings some have the E at the end and some don't.
Title: Re: More brick walls
Post by: doosaphina on Tuesday 10 July 12 18:58 BST (UK)
My next question would be is william Ratcliffe in the 1841 census? i am looking on FreeCEN but not coming up with anything.

Thank you all once again i have been trying to crack this Ratcliffe side for over 10 years!
Title: Re: More brick walls
Post by: keyboard86 on Tuesday 10 July 12 19:08 BST (UK)
Hi this is William in 1851:-

William Ratcliffe 33 occ Ag Lab b Epsom
Sarah 37 b Hammersmith
William 9 b Epsom
James 7 b Epsom
John 5 b Epsom
Frederick 2 b Epsom
Eliza 11 b Hammersmith
John Ratcliffe 59 Father/Widower occ Ag Lab b Epsom
Residing at Church Street, Epsom
Census Ref HO107/1592/411/22

And in 1841:-

William Ratcliff 25
Sarah 25
Eliza 9 months
Residing at Church Street, Epsom
Census Ref HO107/1070/ 3/44/ 7
Keyboard86
Title: Re: More brick walls
Post by: suzard on Tuesday 10 July 12 19:14 BST (UK)
Hi,

1851 census I think Sarah and Eliza's p.o.b. is Hammersmith

???

Suz
Title: Re: More brick walls
Post by: keyboard86 on Tuesday 10 July 12 19:22 BST (UK)
Quote from: suzard on Tuesday 10 July 12 19:14 BST (UK)
Hi,

1851 census I think Sarah and Eliza's p.o.b. is Hammersmith

???

Suz

Thanks Suz, adjusted accordingly!!
Keyboard
Title: Re: More brick walls
Post by: suzard on Tuesday 10 July 12 19:31 BST (UK)
Hope you didn't mind - pleased you agree

Suz
Title: Re: More brick walls
Post by: keyboard86 on Tuesday 10 July 12 20:22 BST (UK)
Hi again, the Christening of William Ratcliffe is:-

William Ratcliffe 27th October 1816 Epsom, Surrey Father John Mother Harriett

And a possible marriage for William to Sarah:-

William Ratcliff to Sarah Archer Dec qtr 1838 Brentford v3 page 3

Their was also a christening for a John Ratcliffe on the 20th December 1818 Epsom Father John Mother Harriet, in 1841 their is a John Ratcliffe b c 1821 shown as a prisoner in the County gaol of Surrey at St Mary Newington, Lambeth, Surrey Census Ref HO107/1065/ 12/12/ 7
Keyboard86