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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Staffordshire => Topic started by: weenie on Monday 09 July 12 23:45 BST (UK)
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Hi im trying to find the Sincup Family, ..... would really like the birth of Elizabeth Sincup mainly.
Here is what i have....
Elizabeth Sincup b 1856 Shropshire married Thomas Hulse at St Clement Longsight Lancashire Feb 9th 1885. now according to LDS and the registers on there it gives Elizabeth Father as William Sincup.
I have Elizabeth in the 1861 Census with grandfather Thomas Sincup b 1803 Eccleshill Staffordshire, with two Uncles and a possible Uncle in Law- although on A*ry its down as her father Levi Phillips.
in 1871 census Elizabeth is again with Thomas Sincup but his birth is down as 1809.
and so on with the Marriage 1885.
I have tried to find a birth for Elizabeth but no Joy.
now William Sincup i can not find on the census either, i have two baptisms one William b1826 Hanley Staffordshire and Two James born 1828 Hanley Staffordshire, both to parents Thomas and Ellen.
I have Richard b 1843 and John b1846 to Thomas and Elizabeth.
But where are they , there is just no Thomas before 1861 census..... no William to say with daughter Elizabeth
any help is greatly appreciated
Weenie
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Hi
Do you have Elizabeth and Thomas in 1891?
Heather
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In 1851 there is a Sincup family transcribed as Simcaf and Simcock.
There is a child, looks like Samuel who is a boy down as Sarah Sincaf
18 Slack Lane, Stoke on Trent, Hanley, Staffs
Sara Head could be Samuel born 1816 Shelton
Martha Wife
Jane Daughter
sara son could be Samuel born 1844
Margaret daughter
John son b1850
There is a Margaret Phillips lodger b1830 Hanley
Sarah Wood lodger born 1829 Hanley
Harriet Clews lodger b1823 Hanley
Yancy Clews(Fanny Clews) b1841 Hanley
Heather
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Hi there,
There is a William Sincop on the 1871 census 2810/74/5 which could fit
Tench Lane Eyton
William 41 widow lab at ironworks Cheswardine Salop
William 16 miner Pilson Salop
Emmanuel 8 Stafford High Offley
Mary ann 6 Eyton
Eliza Jane 3 Eyton.
There is a baptism 21.6.1854 Chetwynd of William to William and Ann on familysearch.
They also have William snr as william sinkup age 21 ser from Cheswardine 1851 and Sincup age 15 in 1841 at Market Drayton.
As for Levi Phillips son in law could mean step son and Elizabeth could be Thomas Cincup's second wife.I can't find a marriage though for any of them.
I think a manual trawl through the parish records of Cheswardine and Egmond would help.
All for now
Ciderdrinker
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Managed to get 1841 census up 899/3/15/36/3
Lowdley port cheswardine
William Sincop 50 ag lab n
Mary 45 y
Thomas 25 ag lab n
William shoe maker's app 15 y
Jane 10 y
John 6 y
Thomas could just about be Thomas Sincop born 1809 with the 5 years off and William looks like the William Snr born 1826/30.
Also to confuse matters further 1861 census William Junr is there under Simcock.High Offley tunstall Road 1094/102/14
William 30 ag lab Cheswardine
Anne 31 Bodas? salop
William 6 Chetwynd
Elizabeth 4 High Offley
Sarah 2 Cheswardine
Jane Jones un 52 dom ser visitor same
Ada Habets 4 High Offley.
If she was under Simcox Sep 1856 newport 6a 697
or Simcock Market drayton Sep 1857 6a 652 And their marriage would be Newport Dec 1853 6a 1465 to Ann Offleton
Ciderdrinker
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Thanks for the reply's...
Heather: I dont have Elizabeth and Thomas in 1891 Census, Elizabeth married Thomas Hulse in Lancashire, and there first 3 children were born Manchester, in 1900 they are in Potternewton Leeds , but there 4th child Alice Hulse was born in Wortley, in 1895... now i dont know if that is Wortley in Leeds or Wortley in Sheffield.
And im sorry i dont see a connection with Samuel/Sarah Sincup in 51 census.
Ciderdrinker: Thankyou will look into William sincup on the 51 census.
Weenie
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It was the name Margeret Phillips lodger that caught my eye.
Levi Phillips was mentioned earlier.
Heather
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Thanks ciderdrinker, i need to try find these now... im struggling to find Thomas Sincup on 41 though on Ance*
Weenie
Ps Heather... Thankyou i get it now yes will look into Phillips Thanks hun
Weenie
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Just found the 41 census with Thomas in and saw someone had connected to there tree...
Looks like Thomas died in 1846. aged 30 so dont think it is the same person as mine
Weenie
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Just to menton a death for Ann Simcup Shrewsbury Sep 1870 6a 500 age 38 which could be Elizabeth's mother.
And William Sincup age 52 Salford Dec 1883 8d 82
Ciderdrinker
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Found the 1851 census for them... Thos Simcock, 1805 and Elizabeth , with also Richard and John matching
Weenie
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Update:....
Ive managed to find Thomas Sincup and the family in 1841 and 1851 now.... transcribed as Simcock.
in 1841 there is also a William Simcock b1831 and Thomas b 1833.
Now the William b 1826 to thomas and Ellen,
now could William b1826 be my William father of Elizabeth or is William b1831 father to Elizabeth?.
Weenie
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Hi Weenie,
Yoy said at the begining that you had found Elizabeth Sincup on the 1861 census with her grandfather Thomas ,so if you agree that is her ,then the William you've found with Thomas and Elizabeth on the 1841 census must be her father.
So is the son William with Thomas and Elizabeth born 1831 or 1826?
Plus given the death of a William Sincup near Manchester born 1831 I'd assume the 1831 birth is correct.
Ciderdrinker
Ps Ancestry has a baptism at Longton 27.7.1831 William Simcock to a Thomas and Eliza.
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Hi Ciderdrinker,
I now think that Elizabeth with Thomas Sincup in the 1861 census. isnt my Elizabeth Sincup...... but possibly a cousin.
Here is what i have....
The marriage for Elizabeth Sincup and Thomas Hulse states her father is William Sincup...
There is baptism for William sincup/simcock to Thomas and Elizabeth as you have at Longton 1831.
Now i can trace William Simcock through the Census's..
1841:
Thos Simcock 35
Elizth Simcock 35
William Simcock 10
Thomas Simcock 8
Elizth Simcock 3
Levi Simcock 5
Sarah Simcock 1
1849 William Simcock marries Ann Janders according to LDS
3 baptisms for Children to William and Ann.
William 1855 Elizabeth 1856 and Sarah 1859.
the 1861 census:
William Simcock 30
Anne Simcock 31
William Simcock 6
Elizabeth Simcock 4
Sarah Simcock 2
Jane Jones 52
Ada Habets 4
I have not found a 51 census yet or further.
but Thomas and Ellen children are :
William b 1826 possibly death 1827
James b 1828
Thomas then is with Elizabeth.. need to find marriage though.
William 1831
Thomas 1833
Levi 1836
Elizabeth 1838
Richard 1843
John 1846
Anne 1848
I can trace Thomas through to 1871 census now with using Simcock/Sincup
Im just struggling still to find a birth of Elizabeth so i can order a cert to prove that Ann is the mother .
Weenie
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Hi Weenie,
Had a play with freebmd to try and find births of william and Anne@s children.So here are possibles.
William simcox Newport Sep 1854 6a 670 or 676
Elizabeth Simcox Sep 1856 Newport 6a 697
Elizabeth Simcock Sep 1857 Market Drayton 6a 652
Mary Anne Simcock June 1864 Wellington 6a 790.
Eliza Sincup June 1867 Wellington 6a 814 or 811
I can't find anything for the others although the younger children are together in 1881.26 tench lane Wrockwardine 2681 97 74
William Sincup 26 coal miner Pilsall staffordshire
Jane 25 Trench
John 4 trench
Martha 4 "
Kate 3 m "
Eliza Jane 14 visitor gen servant Trench
Emanuel Sincop 29 forge labourer lodger Sheldon staffs.
According to Familysearch William is on the 1851 census as William sinkup 21 servant born Cheswardine.On ancestry he is Kirkup at 1998 /-/11.
Ellerton Grange ,Flashbrook unmarried 21 Waggoner Cheswardine.
All for now
Ciderdrinker
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John Sincup of Trench Lane was my Great Grandfather, his twin Sister was Martha :)