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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cheshire => Topic started by: LEDSHAM on Sunday 08 July 12 19:10 BST (UK)
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Researching William Ledsham & Annie Elizabeth Saunders (both born about 1878/9)
1911 Census at 10 Nelson Road Eport, 1915 at 48 Enfield Rd, Eport
6 children:
Annie Elizabeth, Mary Ann, Thomas JW, John Henry, Emily Maud, May Alexandra
i have searched census, birth/death index/burial/baptism etc - I have dates for all.
But cannot find any links to birth of William and Annie E Saunders.
He states Bhead as birthplace, she as Chester on 1911 census, but not sure if this is true.
Found only one marriage of Ledsham/Saunders in 1912, Chester - and feel this is a very good possibility
Annie E (1st daughter) married into Haddock family, and tracked them to Woolrich family still in Eport
Mary A married Maloney, Thomas was in Deva Hospital, John H died in 1933, Emily died age 1, May died 1987 (my grandmother)
Had a lot of dealings with Christ Church in Ellesmere Port, and found one vase for William Ledsham.
Hoping to gain info shortly on the Woolrich family, as tracked my mothers cousin, but just wondering if there are any relations to this family out there, or anyone knows anything, as I have hit a brick wall on William and Annie to trace further back.
If the marriage certificate of 1912 correct, then their parents are James Ledsham and John Saunders.
Noticed another Ledsham in post, but doesn't seem to be a connection.
Any info would be gratefully appreciated.
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Hi,
Welcome to Rootschat. :)
How accurate are the birth years for William and Annie.......1818/9?
Nanny Jan
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Thanks...well spotted!!!
just changed.
1878/1879 are the birth dates going by their age on the 1911 census
William died in 1929 and Annie in 1937
Both buried at Christchurch Ellesmere Port, judging form my research
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I did wonder if that was why I couldn't find them! :)
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Not sure if you live in the Port, but if not Christ Church is no longer used as a church though most of the grave yard is in tact with many legible stones, worth a visit, but be warned I went to look for my G Grandparents and was told road building took over some of the burial sites much to my disgust as it included the plot I wanted.
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http://ellesmereportmethodist.org.uk/Christchurch/Plot%20Plan%20rev%205.pdf
I found this site some time ago. I'm on the South Coast - hence having to do this via internet, but my family still are near there, so I'm trying to arm myself with enough info for a trip to the records office. Just need a little more info on William and Annie really to find out more about them.
But this site was photographed, and they have a William Ledsham on a vase, from his wife and children (you can email for the photo's they took)
The vicar mentioned that no parish records were available. But, I have found burial information on familysearch.org - not fully understanding that site....but they say about microfilm that there seems to be no way to view from the UK, joined up and no imagery. Also school records, but without William & Annies correct birth, I'm having to try and follow each lead I can.
I gained a copy of what I think is their marriage certificate, but threw me a little as both their address states 7 Spital Walk, Boughton, Chester. But, if it is theirs, then they could have used that address from a friend/relative to get married in Chester - as from looking all that up, they seemed to have had to have lived in the district for one calendar month before they could marry. They could not have married in a church at any point after their first child, so I would imagine Chester register office would be the closest.
I could be very wrong about this being their marriage, but is the only Saunders and Ledsham I could find in early 1900's, and from Cheshire BMD I found their exact names, and that he was an ironworks labourer on that and the census.
Anyway...do you know at all which part would have been built on at this graveyard? I have found a few small pictures of this site, but nothing that legible.
I have been trying to search it closer on street view, but you can't get close enough - so frustrating not being near there.
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The name John Saunders on the marriage certificate is more than likely Annies Grandfather.
Annie Elizabeth Saunders christened 26th september 1875 at St Marys Chester - parents - Elizabeth Saunders- no father
so either her father was recently deceased - or - she was illegitimate - if this was the case , most people gave their grandad as their dad on marriage certs..
www.familysearch.org.uk
annie elizabeth saunders
baptism
1875-1880
chester
search
regards
allan :)
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William Ledsham christened 25th march 1875 at St Anne ,Birkenhead
parents John and Fanny ....you have James as father
William Ledsham b 1873 Birkenhead aged 28 - son in 1901 census
William Ledsham 3rd nov 1879 at St Paul Chester - parents James and Elizabeth
the only 3 I could find ....the first has right birth town ,but wrong father
the 3rd has wrong town birth but right fathers name - James
the 2nd needs someone to get that family up in 1901 census to see if his father is James Ledsham
same site as Annie Elizabeth Saunders info
good luck
regards
allan
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Pity I hadn't seen this sooner I was in the Port last week. I can't tell you which plots were built on sorry, but maybe a phone call or e mail to the burials dept in the council buildings might help, the records for Christ Church I was told are held by the Chester Diocese, I did phone them once but though pleasant not very helpful
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Thank you both.
I have followed the same Annie and William - or shoe boxed these censuses. I found an Elizabeth Annie also, in the Ferry Hotel - and she was born 1875 who was a servant. If they did mix up their birth places as in it was him from Chester and her from Bhead, it would make more sense research wise.
what has helped me also is the naming of children - as usual after parents and gparents, but not always so.And as their first son was Thomas James William, I wondered if Williams father would also be Thomas James
and the second son John Henry - I have no links to a henry anywhere that I can find so far, so wonder whether that would be to do with her.
Stupid 100 year clause!!!
I shall follow your leads though to start with - as I can't do much else on them at the moment. I think Annie must have either swapped her name around or was in service or illegitimate or something - or came from a different area, though if that were the case, she could have put anywhere on the census I guess.
So cheers guys!
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Do any of you know whether you can find out who was living at an address in 1912?
I just thought of trying to find out who was registered at the address on the marriage cert - if it is them, then that helps
and if not, then I'd make a guess of it being friend or relative. But would help either way.
I've just been trying to find out that info, but can't find anything as yet, and thought of emailing Cheshire archives again - though I don't
if they could give me that info or not - so just thought I'd see if anywhere here has any knowledge on this.
Plus I'm not sure how many times you can ask questions without being a pest.
Any info would help. Cheers!
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Well first of all ...if you don't ask the question you never find the answer, so it isn't being a pest to ask and people need only answer if they want to, so keep questioning it is the way forward.
Have you tried the 1911 census?
Also electoral rolls may help. :)
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My Grandmother Annie Elizabeth Haddock has passed on a photo of William and Annie Elizabeth taken about 1915 (but not 100% sure of exact year). It shows William (father), Annie (mother), Annie Elizabeth, Mary Ann, Thomas JW, John Henry & either Emily Maud or May. Only just started looking into our family history so haven't got as far as Great Auntie May's Granddaughter as yet. Annie & William lived at 11 Stafford Gardens in Ellesmere Port til their death, as my Grandmother Annie Haddock then took over the house when she died.
Great Auntie May is fondly remembered by all our family.
Good luck in your searching. Thanks to the information on this site I have since received a photo of William Ledsham (our great grandfather) grave stone vase.
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Well,well,well...It is sounding like we are the same family - reading your post, as I know that 11 Stafford Gardens was where Annie lived.
I would much like to see the photo you have of William and family, to see if it is the same as the one I have - the mural style backdrop? Annie (g. grandmother in hat and glasses, William in ww1 uniform). It was indeed 1915, and May on her knee, as Emily Maud died in Jan of 1914. They lived at 48 Enfield Road at that point, and photo likely to be inside that house.
I am May's grandaughter.
Please do get in touch if all of this is sounding likely to you also.
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Sounds like they are the same photo, but we couldn’t see Annie Elizabeth (senior) wearing glasses on the photo we have? We also thought that maybe in 1915 the photo wasn’t necessarily taken in the sitters house & the background & clothes they wear may be set up, say in a photography studio with a false back drop etc, we are not sure?
Happy to email you scanned copies of the few photos we have, (if you don’t already have them?) Personally haven’t got very far with following the line of the Ledsham/Saunders family on Ancestry UK, as having the same problem as you I think? We are finding it time consuming as we are not experts in genealogy, although it’s very interesting.
As we are still local to Christchurch cemetery in Ellesmere Port, we have been to have a look at the vase for William Ledsham, which took some finding as it’s on the same plot/grave of the family’s names of Roberts & Griffiths (again can email you a photo of actual current grave if you wish?). Not sure if the vase was always placed there or been moved over the years? Are they related? Don’t know as we haven’t delved into that one as yet.
Reluctant to put our email address on the roots chat web site so if you still have family still living in the area? I suggest we can meet up with a family member & I can get your email address from them?
Let me know your thoughts & we can arrange a time & place.