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Robert Carney married Ann McGough August 1864 or 1865, Burriscarra parish, Balla District. The witnesses were Maria Kelly and Patrick McGough.
They are probably the couple in the 1901 census living Aghagower North, Mayo.
I am trying to find the link to their parents. There are differences in the church and civil digital transcripts; difference in spelling of Carney, dates of marriage and parents given names.
I believe this may be the Ann McGough (b abt 1848 in Castlebar), daughter of Patrick McGough and Anne Ronane.
I also believe the witness Patrick McGough was her older brother born about 1840, but it is possible he was her father.
I would like to complete the connection. Any ideas on how to connect this couple to their parents would be appreciated.
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Hello,
are the differences between the two transcripts? Do you have a copy of the original certificate from GRO?
regards
heywood
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I do not have the original GRO certificate
Here is what I have:
The certificate from RootsIreland.ie: 24 August 1865, Robert Carney, Anne McGough, RC, Fathers were Carney and McGough
From Mayo Family History Centres (Office of Genealogy records of County Mayo): 27August, Robert Kearney, Anne McGough, Fathers were Mick Kearney and Mick McGough (I believe this given name should be Pat), marriage in Burriscarra Parrish, Wife's address is Dearleash West, Wife's age 18, husbands age 25 and address Triangle
Both have the Witness as Patt (Patrick) McGough and Mary Kelly
From my past experience, I found names to vary greatly in spelling and the parents given names were sometimes incorrect; therefore, I have tried to get other supporting records. In this case, the birth record of Anne is very close to a match and the 1901 census, for Robert Carney and Anne, appears close.
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Hi again,
you also said that the year varied. According to Family Search Michael Carney (https://familysearch.org/search/records/index#count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3Amichael%20%2Bsurname%3Acarney%20%2Bbirth_place%3Aislandeady%20%2Bfather_givenname%3Arobert%20%2Bmother_givenname%3Aanne) was born August 1865.
Family Search shows the civil marriage as Robert Kearney (https://familysearch.org/search/records/index#count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3Arobert%20%2Bsurname%3Akearney%20%2Bmarriage_place%3Acastlebar%20%2Bmarriage_year%3A1864-1864)
As you say, spellings vary. The copy of the certificate from GRO may be more accurate - but then again :-\
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I can't see a townland called Deerleash West but there is as Devleash West in Ballintober civil parish.
Griffiths Valuation (http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/mayo/ballintober.htm) shows McGow in that townland.
Burriscarra parish adjoins Balllintober parish but there are no McGough/Gow there.
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Re 1865: I guess that is the first son of Robert and Anne. I believe they had 8 children, from 1865 to 1886 (names in order of birth: Michael, Mary, John, Patrick, Bridget, Anne, Thomas and Catherine)
Yes, I show the same name in the civil marriage. However, the other records including having the same witnesses would indicate spelling variations of Carney and Kearney. I guess the original would be needed to see why this variation could have occurred.
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I guess I should mention that Anne McGough was born near Castlebar in Mount Gordon. The birth home stayed in the family until about 1900.
There were 4 Anne McGoughs born between 1843 and 1848.
None had a father with given name initial of M (three J, One A, and Patrick).
My Anne was born to Patrick. Of course, I am trying to complete the link between Anne McGough Carney and my Anne McGough. Hope I didn't confuse the issue by saying Anne McGough Carney was born in Mount Gordon.
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I would imagine that the spelling was according to the scribe and if people were not literate then it wouldn't be challenged.
That's good that you have the information re the house near Castlebar as the McGow man was a Michael.
Michael Carney shows in Griffiths in Forkfield or Gowel (as census) and on a map, The Triangle is close to this place.
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Thanks for the note
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I guess I should mention that Anne McGough was born near Castlebar in Mount Gordon. The birth home stayed in the family until about 1900.
There were 4 Anne McGoughs born between 1843 and 1848.
None had a father with given name initial of M (three J, One A, and Patrick).
My Anne was born to Patrick. Of course, I am trying to complete the link between Anne McGough Carney and my Anne McGough. Hope I didn't confuse the issue by saying Anne McGough Carney was born in Mount Gordon.
I am confused but as you know the family house until 1900 - I think you would know best.
Your first post says that you 'believe' Anne to be the daughter of Patrick and Anne Ronane.
However, her marriage details have father, Mick which you 'believe' should be Patrick. ???
She got married from Devleash West - but may have been in service or similar.
The baptisms of the children in Islandeady would support the Mount Gordon scenario as would the marriage -Castlebar district. It may be best to get that civil certificate to see what the details are.
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Not sure if this is any use to you but it looks as though a Maria McGough married Martin Corley. They have the same reference details as the 1864 marriage.
Family Search has Balla for their children.
1901 has Maria in Balloor East, Tawnynagry and there is a brother Mark McGough with them.
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Thanks for the comments; let me try and clear up my mess.
(a). First the facts of my Anne McGough: She was born in September 1848 and the baptism record is shown in Aglish RC Parish September 10 1848. She was born to Patrick McGough (b abt 1818) and Anne Ronane (b abt 1820). Patrick and Anne had their first child in 1840, and they lived in Mt Gordon; all birth records for their four children are shown as baptized in Aglish RC parish. The grandson of Patrick McGough and Anne Ronane (Peter) McGough actually lived in the home in 1901 and 1911. All other parents, children and grandchildren had moved-on (or died) by 1901.
(b). It is not clear what happened to two of the children born to Anne Ronane and Pat McGough (there names were Anne b 1848 and James b 1853). I did find the marriage record and census records for Anne McGough married to Robert Carney in 1864, but it shows the marriage in Burriscarra RC parish. The address for Anne is listed as Dearleash West (possibly Devleash West?), but that location does seem a bit far from Mt Gordon. The 1901 census shows Anne’s age as 52 and the 1911 census shows her age as 67. The census in 1911 shows they were married abt 1863. The census shows they lived in Forfield, or Gowel (Aghagower North, Mayo).
My research shows three Ann McGoughs born in South Mayo between 1845 and 1850, and none had a father named Mick. Their names began with initials A, P, and J.
I have been trying to show that (a) & (b) above are the same Anne, but I guess without the original records, transcript errors will block my progress.
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Thanks for the explanation.
Am I right then, that the Carney/McGough marriage may not be your Anne and you are not descended from any of the children of that marriage. Therefore the people in the census are not part of your family?
There is also the possibility that baptism records are not available for other Anne McGoughs born in that period which may account for an Anne,daughter of Michael.
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It is certainly possible that there were two Ann McGough born about the same time. The main reason for my post was to try and discover if my Anne was the same as the Anne McGough Carney.
However, I still doubt the the father of Anne M Carney was a Mick. I have found many errors is RC birth and marriage digital records and would not be surprised that this one is not correct either. My grandfather (Patrick McGough, b 1840) was the older brother of Anne McGough born to Patrick McGough and Anne Ronane and I thought he may have been the witness listed on the marriage record; he left Ireland in 1867.
None of four children (born to Patrick McG and Anne R) stayed connected as they grew older and thus finding a descendant that knows more about Anne (b 1848) and James (b 1853) has been nearly impossible. Since Robert Carney and Anne McGough had eight children, I am hoping to find one of their descendants that know more.