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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cornwall => Topic started by: BRO64 on Sunday 08 July 12 16:38 BST (UK)
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Hi all,dont know if this is a silly question,how do you know which house/property your ancestors lived in when the census doesnt include a house number?Im going searching soon.Thats also assuming the property is still there. Thanks.
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All you can do is try and work it out from census routes and landmarks. With certificate you're a bit stuck for clues. Pauline
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PaulineJ,thanks for your swift reply.A certain free site shows the next household ,itake meaning neighbours,so i take it if you count the properties ,which may include business properties, that will give you the correct house?
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It's worth looking at the street on Google streetview before you go - just in case there's no trace of any buildings old enough to be relevant. Also helps you get your bearings before you go I find :)
Good luck in your search
Heather
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Hi all,dont know if this is a silly question,how do you know which house/property your ancestors lived in when the census doesnt include a house number?Im going searching soon.Thats also assuming the property is still there. Thanks.
The census probably didn't include the house number, because it didn't have one! As far as I know, numbering houses only became an issue when the postal service was introduced.
If you would like to give us the details, and the census reference if you have it, we'll see what we can find that might help
Linda
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Thanks all. Ive got 3 addresses.1871,for the Isles of Scilly,folio 14,page 19 .119, PARADE 1.Next one is for 1851,folio 534 page 12,H0107/1917 Part 8 St.Ives.4 Tregenna Hill.Would 4 be the house number?And the last one is,1841,Kenwyn Truro, folio 51, page 29 for Carclew Terrace.All regarding the Sampson family.Is that info ok?Sorry cant paragraph properly, still learning!!Thanks.
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1851,folio 534 page 12,H0107/1917 Part 8 St.Ives.4 Tregenna Hill. Would 4 be the house number?
Although this gives all the information, there is a 'standard' way of showing it year-code/piece/folio/page + name.
So in this case
H0107/1917/534/12 Sampson
Don't worry, you'll soon learn :) :)
4 is the schedule number - the number on the form the occupants were asked to fill in. So in this case, there are no house numbers.
If you are able to see all the images, the enumerator started in
Fore Street
Tregenna Place
Tregenna Hill 19 properties
Gabriel Street
Dove Street
Looking at these on a modern map (and assuming the street names haven't changed!) it looks as though he probably went along one side of Tregenna Hill and then back along the other side. Unfortunately, without a pub or a church or some other landmark building that still exists, it's almost impossible to say exactly where the Sampsons lived.
Linda
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1841,Kenwyn Truro, folio 51, page 29 for Carclew Terrace
The District Description for this says
All that part of the Township of Truro which lies to the south east of the Turnpike road leading from Truro to Calenick comprising Fairmantle Street, Carclew Street and Carclew Terrace
Fairmantle Street & Carclew Street still exist, but I can't see Carclew Terrace.
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1871,for the Isles of Scilly,folio 14,page 19 .119, PARADE 1
Again no house numbers. The 1 at the end of the information you have given just shows that the house is occupied.
Frustrating isn't it? :o ::)
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Even when you can find house numbers they are often meaningless. One of my lines lived in the same cottage in Nuneaton for three generations. This has been proved by looking at deeds, wills and other legal documents. However the house number and sometimes the street name changed at every census from 1851 to 1901.
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Many thanks to all of you.
Frustrating is an understatement!!Oh well looks like ill be going to these streets, the ones still standing that is,and looking at the properties ,not knowing which is the correct one they lived.At least ill be there or there abouts.
Thanks again.
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Not going to be much help to you but Tregenna Hill is all shops these days. see picture here...
http://www.cornwallpictures.co.uk/html_st_ives/36.htm
Both sides of the road as far as the library where it becomes Tregenna Place. The library is the building with the tower on the corner.
I have to drive down it with a double decker bus every now and again ;-)
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Dear Graylight, just come back from beautiful St.Ives after spending a very pleasant week in and around the surrounding areas.Stood on the top of Tregenna Hill wondering which property was "the one".By the way , it wasnt you by any chance causing the massive tail-back Friday dinner hour because you couldnt turn left into Gabriel street? :)
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Probably one of my colleagues, I haven't done the open top route for about a month now. That turn isn't meant for double-deckers. Last year the council employed a traffic manager to patrol that corner and 'facilitate traffic movement' - no sign of him this year...cutbacks I expect.
Hope you had a nice week. Stunning place...and the view from the bus station is magnificent. ;)
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Couldnt agree more.Stunning place,very friendly , hospitable people.Could be something to do with the Celtic blood(same as mine).Our first visit,wont be the last!
Better stop all these nicities,we might get told off.
Cheers :)