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Title: missing florence
Post by: springtime 60 on Saturday 07 July 12 20:14 BST (UK)

i have only found a baptism record for FLORENCE FLATLEY nov 1895,dont think they registered her or i cant find her,just wondered if anyone could come up with marriage or death for her or any other record which maybe her
thanks
ann

Title: Re: missing florence
Post by: groom on Saturday 07 July 12 20:51 BST (UK)

There is this marriage

FLATTLEY, Florence
Newcastle under Lyme  Staffordshire
1918 March quarter
6B 122

Spouse  Henry Marshell

Title: Re: missing florence
Post by: PaulineJ on Saturday 07 July 12 21:00 BST (UK)

what does the baptism give as her parent(s) and where was the baptism?

Title: Re: missing florence
Post by: PaulineJ on Saturday 07 July 12 21:08 BST (UK)

Also if you look at the marriage on Staffsbmd (Newcastle, Methodist Church ( Ebenezer)) it gives an *Alternative* surname of Ellerton for Florence.

Pauline

Title: Re: missing florence
Post by: groom on Saturday 07 July 12 21:19 BST (UK)

Not her then as she was the wife of James Flattley, obviously a second marriage.

Title: Re: missing florence
Post by: springtime 60 on Saturday 07 July 12 21:21 BST (UK)

i just have 22nd nov 1895 from ancestry christening record
willenhall

Title: Re: missing florence
Post by: groom on Saturday 07 July 12 21:24 BST (UK)

Father William Flatley mother Ellen.

Title: Re: missing florence
Post by: springtime 60 on Saturday 07 July 12 21:27 BST (UK)

yes thats correct

Title: Re: missing florence
Post by: groom on Saturday 07 July 12 21:32 BST (UK)

Wonder if this is them in 1901  Piece: 2765 Folio: 41 Page: 15   Kidderminster

FLATLEY, William   Head   Married   M   39        Boatman On Canal           Kidderster, Worcestershire       
FLATLEY, Ellen   Wife              Married   F   39                                                 Kidderster, Worcestershire       
FLATLEY, Samuel   Son           Single   M   15        Foundry Worker (Iron)     Kidderster, Worcestershire       
FLATLEY, William   Son           Single   M   11                                                Moxley, Shropshire       
FLATLEY, Nellie   Daughter           Single   F   9                                                Moxley, Shropshire       
FLATLEY, Elsie   Daughter      Single   F   1                                                Moxley, Shropshire       
MAYALL, Mary   Boarder           Widow   F   68        Swing Woman                  Kidderster, Worcestershire


If so it looks as if Florence may have died, there is a big gap between Nellie and Elsie

Title: Re: missing florence
Post by: springtime 60 on Saturday 07 July 12 21:35 BST (UK)

i havethe info about family,i was wondering if she had died but not found her

Title: Re: missing florence
Post by: groom on Saturday 07 July 12 21:39 BST (UK)

Is that her family?

Checked deaths from 1895 to 1901 and I cant see her either.

Title: Re: missing florence
Post by: springtime 60 on Saturday 07 July 12 22:26 BST (UK)

yes it is florence family,i havent found anything for her

Title: Re: missing florence
Post by: PaulineJ on Saturday 07 July 12 22:30 BST (UK)

Quote from: springtime 58 on Saturday 07 July 12 22:26 BST (UK)

yes it is florence family,i havent found anything for her

how do you *know* the baptism is  that particular william & ellen?
The ancestry record gives neither address nor father's occupation.

She's not even born until 2 days after she is baptised according to Ancestry (!)

Pauline

Title: Re: missing florence
Post by: groom on Saturday 07 July 12 22:45 BST (UK)

You really need to see the actual baptism record to see if that gives any further information.

Title: Re: missing florence
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Saturday 07 July 12 22:47 BST (UK)

The family aren't that good at registration - can't see the older 1901 children, and Nellie (if registered as Ellen) and Elsie are registered in Wolverhampton


Familysearch has her birth as 22 Oct 1895 and baptism on  20 November

Title: Re: missing florence
Post by: groom on Saturday 07 July 12 23:24 BST (UK)

Perhaps if they were boatmen moving around they didn't bother with registrations.

Title: Re: missing florence
Post by: springtime 60 on Sunday 08 July 12 08:43 BST (UK)

i take on board your comments id say that has been wrongly transcribed also i dont think there are many florence flatley in the same area its possible its her marriage.

Title: Re: missing florence
Post by: PaulineJ on Sunday 08 July 12 09:16 BST (UK)

It's more probable that the 1918 marriage is NOT the Florence b1895.
Pauline

Title: Re: missing florence
Post by: groom on Sunday 08 July 12 11:15 BST (UK)

I agree with Pauline, that isn't the marriage. That Florence Flattley was the widow of James Flattley. If you use the free index for the 1911 census you can find her as his wife. Also in the household are Ellertons.

James M Flattley died March quarter 1913 Newcastle under Lyme.

Title: Re: missing florence
Post by: springtime 60 on Tuesday 10 July 12 06:55 BST (UK)

? dont think she can be traced in marriage or death