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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: linmar on Wednesday 04 July 12 19:07 BST (UK)
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Trying to find out anything about my great grandfather John William Ray. He was living with my great grandmother Mary Caroline in Whiston Street Hackney, and also 19 Dove Row Shoreditch. They never married, but she put his surname on the 1911 census. They had a daughter (my nanna) called Julia Caroline. I cannot find any trace of him prior to 1893. He died in the German hospital in 1908.Can anyone help? He was born in Bethnal Green and I think he had 2 sisters.
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Hi
For tracing purposes - the 1901 census shows he was born in 1848 or 1852
An Ancestry member notified a change to his birthyear on 1.4.2012
I have sent that member an email directing them to your post in case they have additional info for you
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For the possible notes pile . . . .
Found this . . . .
Marriages QSep 1870 Shoreditch 1c 280
ALLARD Emily Elizabeth
JACKSON Mary Ann
PEARSON Robert
Ray John
Then this . . . . .
1871 RG10 463 32 page3
2 Perrys Place, St Leonards Shoreditch
John Ray 25 Shoreditch
Mary Ray Wife 19 Clerkenwell
Then . . . . .
Caroline Mary Ann Jackson
1851 Q3 Clerkenwell 3 100
Ray
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Looking at the 1901 amendments - it shows the surname as Brown. I think Mary Caroline may have been Brown
I have found (I think) 2 of the older children on the 1891 census as Brown but living with separate sets of relatives whose surnames were neither Ray or Brown -so no clues there unfortunately.
I am not 100% sure about those entries
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Just a thought.
Julia's baptism 98.1898 St Stephen Haggerston has her birth as 26.2.1897 but more importantly John is a druggist.Wouldn't he have had to have some sort of qualification and registration for this even in 1898?
Ciderdrinker
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we thought the same thing about qualifications for being a druggist..but cant find him listed anywhere on that score. Mary Caroline married Edward Brown in 1872. 1881 census living at Kings Square Shoreditch. He was off the scene when she met John Ray. That is why she is still a Brown on some of the census. In the 1911 one she listed all her children under the name Ray. (No idea why!) We think John was born in 1848 because we have his death certificate, and it says died aged 60 in 1908. There is someone on Ancestry who is doing research into the Brown family, and we have been in touch, they do not have anything on John Ray either. What I would like to find out is..was he married before he met my Great Nan? He was49 when my nan was born, so it is likely that he was married before. We feel like we are up against a brick wall! Grateful for any help.thanks.
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1901 4 Ada Place
John Ray 49 Carman
Mary 46
George 21
Alfred 17
Susan 15
Julia 4
all born Bethnal Green
Susan marries as Susan Brown father Edward 7/4/1912
Jennifer
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1881 Census 28 Doon Street Lambeth
John Ray 34 Contractor born Shoreditch
Mary Ann 29 born Clerkenwell
Lodger in the house
Ann Brown 85 born Spanish Town Jamaica
Jennifer
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hi jennifer..thankyou for your post. The info seems to fit, date wise...but I suppose we cant be really sure its actually our John Ray. I must admit..its feasable...he surely must have been married before! I would like to think I have found him at last! Would love to have found his parents..but maybe someone will come up with something. Thankyou for your help.
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1871 2 Perrys Place Shoreditch
John Ray 25 Gen Lab Shoreditch
Mary 19 None Clerkenwell
1861 45 Willow Walk Shoreditch
George Ray 55 Lab Shoreditch
Elizabeth 48 says shoreditch possible Wiltshire in 1871
George 17
John 15
Elizabeth 13
Sarah 10
Eliza 8 all give Shoreditch
Jennifer
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John Ray bapt 12/4/1846 St.Leonards Shoreditch
parents George & Elizabeth Labourer Motley or Notley Street.
Jennifer