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Title: Barrowden Rutland look up please
Post by: Cougar on Monday 23 May 05 12:00 BST (UK)
Is anyone able to find me a William Ellbourn born 1797 who lived in Barrowden, Rutland - wife is Ursula ;
children Henry 1824 and William 1827.
Would be great to find them and see if any more siblings come to light.
Thanks in advance,
Cougar
Title: Re: Barrowden Rutland look up please
Post by: smudger28 on Monday 23 May 05 12:58 BST (UK)
Hello

I have looked in both the 41 and 51 for Barrowden and I cannot find any Ellbourn's.  I have searched the 51 index for Rutland and still no Ellbourn's.

Maybe Mike will do more of a search Leicester way to see if they crossed the border.

Paul.
Title: Re: Barrowden Rutland look up please
Post by: Mike from Leicester on Monday 23 May 05 14:26 BST (UK)
Greeting's Paul....

Following drawing a blank for Leicestershire & Rutland 51 ~61.

 ;D I was about to toss it over to  you for 41. Censuses  ;D

Only two Small families under the names of Ellbourn & Ellbourne found on the whole of UK 1861. Census
in the villages of Chesham & Amersham Buckinghamshire...
And one Thomas servant in Yeovill Sumerset

Cougar...

Looking at my maps Barrowden sits right on the border of Rutland and Northamptonshire
and seeing that Barrowden is mentioned as a  Sub Register district of Uppingham on the Northamptonshire Villages census returns.

Worth a post on the Northamptonshire section of this site ?

MIKE.
Title: Re: Barrowden Rutland look up please
Post by: smudger28 on Monday 23 May 05 17:49 BST (UK)
A good idea Mike!

Such an unusual name they won't be to hard to find, will they....................?

Good luck Cougar

Paul
Title: Re: Barrowden Rutland look up please
Post by: Cougar on Tuesday 24 May 05 01:24 BST (UK)
Hi you two
Thank you so much for your time and effort - only just started in the inlaws so don't have much on them at all.
Now, you are both going to hate me - just discovered I put down William Ellbourn instead of William Cliff. (Ellbourns married Cliff's)
It was William Cliff that came from Barrowden - William Ellbourn I haven't found yet.   Sorry about that - knew this lot would be a nightmare even before I started it.
Could I possibly beg another try, this time with the surname Cliff - please???
Thanks Cougar
Title: Re: Barrowden Rutland look up please
Post by: smudger28 on Tuesday 24 May 05 06:56 BST (UK)
Hehehe easy mistake to make.

I will have a look on the 1841 census when I get back from a 2 day trip.  I'm sure Mike will supply you with the 51 details.

Paul
Title: Re: Barrowden Rutland look up please
Post by: Cougar on Tuesday 24 May 05 06:59 BST (UK)
Stop laughing Paul - feel like an idiot.
One day mind and fingers will co-ordinate.
Enjoy your trip. thanks
Cougar in Oz
Title: Re: Barrowden Rutland look up please
Post by: Mike from Leicester on Tuesday 24 May 05 17:20 BST (UK)
G' Day Blue...

Now Taking it the age was still the same ?

 :-\  ( Slaps hand on forehead )

Age not right but name is......

2093. / 34. = Barrowden.

CLIFF.

William. Head. 51.
" N" Wife. 61.
Edward. Son. 20.

Another relation with the above but spelt different. ? :-

2093. / 341. = Barrowden.

CLIFFE.

Edward. Head. 56.


Going on closest age to details given :-

2093. / 102. = Uppingham.

CLIFFE.

William. Head. 29.
Ann. Wife. 28.
Elizabeth. Dau. 7.
Sarah. A. Dau. 5.
Alice. Dau. 2.
Mary. Jane. Dau. 7 Months Old.

David. Brother. 17.

©  Copyright Leicestershire & Rutland Family History Society.2001.

Now it gets a bit better :-

1861. Scanned Census Image.:-

RG 9. / 2310. / Folder. 101. / Page. 81.

Within the Village of Barrowden.
Two doors away from " The Wheel Pub."

William Cliff. Head. Mar. 61. Lab. b. Barrowden. Rutland.
Usly. Wife. 74.  . b. St. Martin's Stamford. Northamptonshire.

Abraham Foster. Lodger. Umar. 42. Fell monger & Swine Buyer. b. Barrowden. Rutland.

( Just wonder if above is testing out possible sales for " Foster's xxx" )  ..... ;D

©  Copyright Leicestershire & Rutland Family History Society.2004.


MIKE. 
Title: Re: Barrowden Rutland look up please
Post by: Mikey on Tuesday 24 May 05 19:52 BST (UK)
Hi Cougar

My Grandmother was a Cliff from Ketton. She is descended from Cliff(e)'s in Morcott and Barrowden. There are many Cliff's from Barrowden and it has been very difficult to trace back when so many with the same first name where born within a few years of each other.

Check the IGI on the LDS site with batch numbers 8403031 and 8232733 and you'll see what I mean! The former lists a William Cliffe born in 1797 son of William and Mary.

Good luck!

Mike
Title: Re: Barrowden Rutland look up please
Post by: Cougar on Wednesday 25 May 05 00:43 BST (UK)
Hi again
1. Mike - g'day blue????? don't have red hair - sorry, try g'day (cheecky).
Thank you so much for that information -
Within the Village of Barrowden.
Two doors away from " The Wheel Pub."

William Cliff. Head. Mar. 61. Lab. b. Barrowden. Rutland.
Usly. Wife. 74.  . b. St. Martin's Stamford. Northamptonshire.
BINGO - that is them - Usly should read Ursula and by 1861 sons William and Henry have come to Australia - but obviously not the parents - which explains that mystery.  Thanks.
2. Mikey
Thanks - have been trying to look at the IGI and know what you mean - unfortunately for some reason - when I get the list of 'likely' ones up, check one, then go back to look at the next, I keep getting errors and have to start all over again.   Don't know why it is suddenly doing this - but is a pain in the proverbial.
Will persevere though.
Thanks to you all for the time and trouble,
Cheers Sue
PS for your info - there are far better beers than XXXX
should come and try them - but beware - they are served COLD.
Title: Re: Barrowden Rutland look up please
Post by: Mike from Leicester on Wednesday 25 May 05 16:31 BST (UK)
Greeting’s ……

Cliff / Cllffe for the whole of Rutland 1851.


Names. / Relationship to head of household. / Age. / Coordinates. / Census Place.
CLIFF   CATHERINE A   DAU   21MTHS   2093   79   UPPINGHAM
CLIFF   DAVID   INMT   14   2093   62   UPPINGHAM
CLIFF   EDWARD   HEAD   57   2093   80   UPPINGHAM
CLIFF   EDWARD   SON   20   2093   341   BARROWDEN
CLIFF   ELIJAH   INMT   9   2093   62   UPPINGHAM
CLIFF   ELIZABETH   WIFE   52   2093   80   UPPINGHAM
CLIFF   GEORGE   HEAD   31   2093   79   UPPINGHAM
CLIFF   HENRY   SON   25   2093   80   UPPINGHAM
CLIFF   JANE   WIFE   32   2093   79   UPPINGHAM
CLIFF   JANE   DAU   11   2092   31   STRETTON
CLIFF   MARY   WIFE   35   2093   80   UPPINGHAM
CLIFF   MARY   DAU   32   2092   31   STRETTON
CLIFF   N   WIFE   61   2093   341   BARROWDEN
CLIFF   SARAH A   LODG   22   2093   85   UPPINGHAM
CLIFF   WILLIAM   HEAD   51   2093   341   BARROWDEN
CLIFFE   ALICE   DAU   2   2093   102   UPPINGHAM
CLIFFE   ANN   WIFE   60   2093   340   BARROWDEN
CLIFFE   ANN   HEAD   56   2093   374   MORCOTT
CLIFFE   ANN   WIFE   43   2093   380   MORCOTT
CLIFFE   ANN   HEAD   33   2094   40   KETTON
CLIFFE   ANN   WIFE   28   2093   102   UPPINGHAM
CLIFFE   ANN   SERV   15   2093   285   CALDECOTT
CLIFFE   CAROLINE   SDAU   18   2093   110   UPPINGHAM
CLIFFE   DANIEL   HEAD   35   2093   374   MORCOTT
CLIFFE   DANIEL   SON   13   2094   47   KETTON
CLIFFE   DAVID   LODG   81   2093   399   WING
CLIFFE   DAVID   BROT   17   2093   102   UPPINGHAM
CLIFFE   EDWARD   HEAD   56   2093   340   BARROWDEN
CLIFFE   ELIJAH   SERV   17   2093   108   UPPINGHAM
CLIFFE   ELISABETH   DAU   4   2093   374   MORCOTT
CLIFFE   ELIZABETH   SERV   17   2092   156   EMPINGHAM
CLIFFE   ELIZABETH   DAU   7   2093   102   UPPINGHAM
CLIFFE   ELLEN   DAU   10   2093   408   WING
CLIFFE   ELLEN   DAU   7   2093   385   MORCOTT
CLIFFE   EMMA   SERV   18   2093   285   CALDECOTT
CLIFFE   FANNY   WIFE   32   2093   374   MORCOTT
CLIFFE   GEORGE   SON   18   2093   408   WING
CLIFFE   GEORGE   SON   7   2093   369   MORCOTT
CLIFFE   GEORGE   SON   7   2094   40   KETTON
CLIFFE   ISAAC   HEAD   50   2094   47   KETTON
CLIFFE   ISAAC   SON   15   2094   47   KETTON
CLIFFE   JACOB   PSNR   44   2092   246   OAKHAM
CLIFFE   JAMES   SSON   20   2093   110   UPPINGHAM
CLIFFE   JOHN   HEAD   33   2093   369   MORCOTT
CLIFFE   JOHN   SON   24   2093   408   WING
CLIFFE   JOSEPH   HEAD   62   2093   408   WING
CLIFFE   JOSEPH   SON   26   2093   408   WING
CLIFFE   JOSEPH   SSON   14   2093   110   UPPINGHAM
CLIFFE   LOUISA   DAU   5   2093   370   MORCOTT
CLIFFE   MARY   WIFE   38   2094   47   KETTON
CLIFFE   MARY   WIFE   28   2093   369   MORCOTT
CLIFFE   MARY   DAU   6   2093   374   MORCOTT
CLIFFE   MARY   DAU   3   2093   370   MORCOTT
CLIFFE   MARY ANN   DAU   16   2093   408   WING
CLIFFE   MARY JANE   DAU   7MTHS   2093   102   UPPINGHAM
CLIFFE   REBECKAH   WIFE   51   2093   408   WING
CLIFFE   REBECKAH   DAU   22   2093   408   WING
CLIFFE   SAMUEL   HEAD   48   2093   380   MORCOTT
CLIFFE   SAMUEL   SON   8   2094   47   KETTON
CLIFFE   SARAH   WIFE   55   2093   385   MORCOTT
CLIFFE   SARAH   HEAD   36   2092   189   LYNDON
CLIFFE   SARAH   WIFE   23   2092   189   LYNDON
CLIFFE   SARAH A   DAU   5   2093   102   UPPINGHAM
CLIFFE   THOMAS   BROT   26   2092   189   LYNDON
CLIFFE   THOMAS DICKENS   SON   12   2093   408   WING
CLIFFE   WILLIAM   HEAD   54   2093   385   MORCOTT
CLIFFE   WILLIAM   SON   30   2093   408   WING
CLIFFE   WILLIAM   HEAD   29   2093   102   UPPINGHAM
CLIFFE   WILLIAM   SON   11   2094   47   KETTON
CLIFFE   WILLIAM FRISBY   SERV   18   2092   391   BRAUNSTON


©  Copyright Leicestershire & Rutland Family History Society.2001.

MIKE.
Title: Re: Barrowden Rutland look up please
Post by: Cougar on Thursday 26 May 05 00:59 BST (UK)
Hi Mike
Yikes - just a few of them you say?
Thank you so much - that will keep me off the streets for a while, won't it.
Now I can try and put more of the jigsaw together.
Cheers Sue