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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Ayrshire => Topic started by: dotty on Tuesday 03 July 12 08:56 BST (UK)
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I have two boys on the 1861 Scottish census both boys born in the USA.Theodore Patterson c 1850 and Arthur Randolph c 1843.They are staying with Elizabeth Fowlds and her two daughters Willie G [Williamina Galt] and Alexis.The boys are down as second cousins---second cousins to whom? Elizabeth or to each other?The parents of Arthur are Thomas Mann and Lucinda Anne Randolph[nee Patterson] so I can see there is a connection here but where?
To add to my problems when I have looked on another site for the 61 census Elizabeth comes up as this
Elizabeth Allan of Faulds and her daughters likewise.So are they Allans or Faulds/Fowlds or what.
Arthur has a brother Allan Randolph which could bring in The Allan name .
Arthur marries and is in England on the 71 census but I can't find Theodore.
Can anybody please find me the marriage of Elizabeth ?
Any suggestions much appreciated
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Hi Dotty
The surname looks to be Fowlds (and likely versions of that).
You might have double check deaths to confirm mother Elizabeth's maiden name. Alexis and Williamina Fowlds show living alone in Irvine in 1881. There is a will entry for Alexis in 1886, so likely death for her around that time. This would also let you confirm her mother's maiden name and father's name.
Monica :)
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I think this might be the Fowlds family in 1841:
Allan Foulds 70, nurseryman
Nancy Foulds 60
Elizebeth Foulds 40
Willie Foulds 25
Alexer Foulds 20
John Foulds 20
Elizth Morton 20, servant
Agness Candlish 15, servant
Address: Flower Bank, Kilmarnock
Can't figure out who was the father to the two girls. Elizabeth, mother, must have been very young when she married (or maybe a second marriage for father?).
Monica
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Thanks Monica
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Dotty, how much info do you have on these family lines so far? Why are you trying to trace Arthur and Theodore?
This will be an interesting search but you will likely have to dig in and view certs to unravel....or maybe someone else has already and can help!
I think the connections with these family lines bring in the surnames of: Fowlds, Galt, Allan and Poe (as in Edgar Allan Poe and his connections back to Scotland - Kilmarnock/Irvine, and his foster parents). A little background here http://poeinscotland.com/id5.html
Monica
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This is the grandmother of Arthur Randolph http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mysouthernfamily/myff/d0010/g0000085.html#I61761 , a Louisa E.F. DeHart Patterson www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=82455929. One of her daughters, Louisa, was the second wife of John Allan, who was the foster father to Edgar Allan Poe. John Allan's Scottish connections are the reason that Edgar Allan Poe looks to have spent some early formative years in Ayrshire, Scotland. Lots of info on these links, and many more if you google for info on Edgar Allan Poe and Scotland.
Monica
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Just a correction to what we had. That 1861 census entry that you mentioned, Elizabeth is not mother to Willia G and Alexis. They are infact all sisters it seems from that entry. Elizabeth I think died in 1875 in Irvine, aged 75. No additional surname for her so like her two sisters, looks to have remained unmarried. Her death entry, and that of her sisters would let you confirm her parents' names. From what we had from 1841, father likely Alan and mother Agnes.
I think this might be parents' marriage https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XT27-YW5
This then begins to make sense of some of the names and connections we are seeing across in the US.
Interesting snippet and photo here: www.flickr.com/photos/mccarthaighb/6985601419/
Monica
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Brilliant readings.I am now trying to find out if John William Patterson had a brother Theodore ,Wil get back to you tomorrow
Dotty
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Glasgow Herald, Tue, 20 July 1886
Deaths
Fowlds - suddenly at 8 Eglinton Street, Irvine. on the 16th inst, Alexis Fowlds, only surviving member of the family of the late Allan Fowlds, Flowerbank, Kilmarnock
regards
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You are right Monica
The death record for Williamina Galt Fowlds 1885 confirms her parents as Allan Fowlds and Agnes Allan both deceased informant Robert ???? Nephew
Margp
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Thank you Margp and hanes teulu for confirming the Fowlds and Allan details. Looks like a really interesting family to follow, as do the American lines from what what I can see. And, on top of that, the genealogy of Edgar Allan Poe and a little bit of Robert Burns thrown in with the history!
Monica :)
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Theodore Wilson Patterson was born 1850s in Pennsylvania,he married Donce Coates ,his father was Theodore Wilson Patterson from Scotland.There be no connection with Theodore with Arthur on the 61 census but just seems a coincidence
Many thanks for all the input ,it would be very nice if the connection can be proved.I volenteered to help a lady with a Lancashire query and then she asked me about this.She is coming over to England from the USA in September and is trying to visit places where her ancestors came from.I am afraid I am out of my depth advising her on the Scottish query.
Dotty
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Hi Dotty
Why don't you ask the lady to post on the Scottish boards with the specific questions she has or any advice she needs? Lots of people onhand here, willing and able to help further.
Can see the deaths of one of the children from the marriage here https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NS94-T46 This shows father TW as born in Tennesse?
Hard to find on the censuses over there so far though.
Monica
Added:
I think this might be the family in 1900 (at last!) - https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M98T-ZCP. People researching the family online think mother Donce died mid1890s? Cora and Theodory show as married only 3 yrs.
Theodory Patterson showed as a machinist. I thougtht Eddie might be the Edward Benson Patterson whose death is linked above. Also, Wilson I thought this might be the Theodore Wilson Patterson 111, being traced online.
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This looks to be the same family in 1910 - https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MG6B-QVL
Theodore's second marriage in 1897 - https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FWWR-MYN
Death for one of Theodore's youngest child in 1936 - https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JDRZ-M4T
Monica
PS: Cannot see the Scottish connections at all so far on this Patterson line :-\ www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,588794.0.html
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I have an interest in this family --- can you get back to me, thanks
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Urlassie it is a long time since I dealt with this query but I have emailed the lady to see if it alright to pass on her email address.You will have to do three posting in total before anybody can send you a personal message.
Dotty
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Thank you Dotty :)
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Whoops -- sorry didn't realise about the 3 posts, thanks again.
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I wonder if the Elizabeth was born 18 Mar 1770 in Greenock, married Thomas Galt born 1751 Dundonald. Children were Jane born 21 Mar 1797 died Irvine, and Williamina Galt born 20 Oct 1795 Dundonald. Linked to the Fowlds Galt and Allan families. House in Minigaff Newton Stewart was called Flowerbanks? Grandparents John Galt and Agnes Allan. Uncle William Galt of Edgar Allan Poe fame?
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Hi Dotty, Elizabeth Allan of Faulds and her daughters are Allans. The word Faulds is a district in Cumbernauld,Dunbarton, Scotland and not a Surname. I hope this helps your search.
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