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I am helping an aged care client desperatly trying to retrace his fathers' steps between the time he was born and being put into foster care. His Father Herbert George Newton was placed in foster care in 1904 or 1906 with the Perkins family at Ucolta SA - Herbert was born 26th June 1900 to Frances (Fontaine) 1873 - 14th July 1900 and George Newton died 1904 in Bendigo. There is a sister to Herbert - Frances Mabel Newton born 1898 whom I have no information at all on.
We are assuming that poor Frances had difficulties after giving birth to Herbert and died only 18 days later (we believe in Queensland) I have only recently found out that George died 4 years later in Bendigo sadly leaving the 2 children wards of the state??
There are so many questions unanswered......did George take the children with him to Bendigo, why weren't Herbert & Frances kept together, what happened to Frances, through what foster organisation was Herbert placed and what of extended family. My client is not in good health and I really would like to get all this info for him.
If you have any information and the means of finding the info for me it would be so much appreciated.
Thank-you in advance
Jo
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A link to previous posts.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,577644.msg4296706.html#msg4296706
So we have Parents Francis newton (nee Fontaine) And George Newton.
Francis died 14th July1900 George in 1904
Two Children Francis Mabel Newton 1898 B Qld? and Herbert george Newton B 1900 Qld?
No news of whereabouts of Francis but Herbert was placed in foster care 1904? Went on to marry and had this son you are helping?
You have the marriage cert of George and Francis?
Do you have the DC's for Francis or George?
Neil
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Hi Neil, thanks for your swifty reply - you have it all in a nut shell!
We have the details of Frances and George's wedding - 2nd March 1898.
No death certificates. Herbert died in 1975 at Peterborough SA, married Hilda Eliza Clapp in 1922 and my client, Bernard Newton is their son.
I have researched this on ancestry dot com but hit a brick wall and we cancelled our subscription as it was getting too costly for Bernard, esp when we werent finding the information we needed. If you would like to view the tree it is public.
Jo
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Jo....How do you know you have the correct death for your George NEWTON if you don't have any certificates?
Death
NEWTON George
Father Joseph Mother Mary REDDEN
At Bendigo 28 years 1904 Reg#7550
Birth
NEWTON George
Father Joseph Mother Mary RADDEN
At Sandhurst 1873 Reg#19852
Cando
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Do you actually have the marriage certificate? Or just the details from the previous thread? The marriage certificate would show the parents names of the Frances & George.
Why do you think George Newton who died 1904 at Bendigo is the correct one? Without his death certificate to match with his age, parents names, marriage & children. His parents would be named on the marriage certificate.
That death reg gives an age & parents names as such:
NEWTON Geo age 28yrs d. 1904 BGO #7550
Father: Newton Jos
Mother: Mary REDDEN
Sorry Cando - No red warning ::)
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There is a marriage in Qld for a Frances Newton in 1937 to a George Tomlinson Ref# 1936/B26192.
Doesn't look like correct parents though. So interstate NSW or Vic or SA. Maybe.
Maybe need at least one of those DC's. Lots of George Newton deaths in QLD.
Neil
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There is a marriage for a George Newton to Ellen Elizabeth Mills in 1906 in Qld 1906/C674 Perhaps George remarried ...?
regards,
Ros
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Hi all, thank you for your replies. Ros we did question if George married again but no he didnt as I contacted people on ancestry who had George Newton and Ellen Elizabeth Mills listed in their trees.
Merlin, I found the marriage details on ancesty dot com but Frances is listed as Fanny Fontaine.
I was contacted by a lady a few days ago who is researching her great grandads family and she said that George was a brother to her grandad and it was from her that i have the death date and place. We cancelled the subscription to ancestry and i am unable to check her tree for further updates - Williams Family Tree. I think Charters Towers is the place we need to look as the lady said there were a lot of Newtons there.
Cheers Jo
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Mmmm Can't wait to get one in. Because it's on Ancestry.com doesn't make it correct. Paperwork and cross checks help, but black and white is best!
Neil
Back to square one. ???
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Hey Neil,
yes I quite understand about the accuracy of ancestry as I could've taken many different routes given the information that I received....I am a first timer at all this....just hope I am on the right track.
cheers JO
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There is a death on Qld. BDM for 14 July 1900 for
Frances NEWTON, father Gille FONTAINI, mother Lavinia MORRIS
Reg 1900/C2445
C means it was in the country somewhere. However in 1900 this could have been as close as Ipswich or as far away as Cooktown.
It's the only Frances Newton in 1900, BTW
Dawn M
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Hi Billyblue,
that is the Frances Fontaine I have in my records :)
I am sure that Charters Towers would be the town.
cheers JO
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Hi
There is a death 1893 Qld for a James Fontaine born Qld age 1 year
mother Frances Fontaine
Muss
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Hi
Also a death for a Louis William Fontaine in 1884 Qld
F Gille Fontaine m Lavinia Ann Morris Rider
Muss
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Hi Billyblue,
that is the Frances Fontaine I have in my records :)
I am sure that Charters Towers would be the town.
cheers JO
That's OK. You just sounded not sure, in your OP (original post) so just confirming it for you.
You could always contact Charters Towers Council to see if she's in their cemetery. The CT Pioneer Cemetery goes only to 1895 and another was apparently opened in that year.
http://www.charterstowers.qld.gov.au/web/guest/home
They don't seem to have their 'newer' cemetery online, but maybe they do and I just couldn't find it.
Dawn M
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You are now, as you can see. Doesn't cost much either ;D
Gotta go and pick up some Goats, back later
Neil ;)
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Jo....How do you know you have the correct death for your George NEWTON if you don't have any certificates?
Death
NEWTON George
Father Joseph Mother Mary REDDEN
At Bendigo 28 years 1904 Reg#7550
Birth
NEWTON George
Father Joseph Mother Mary RADDEN
At Sandhurst 1873 Reg#19852
Cando
George is buried at the same location as Joseph at Bendigo Cemetery.
http://www.bencemtrust.com.au/search.asp
To help your friend I have downloaded George's death cert...and it is a typical example of how one shouldn't base information on death certificates as fact.
George died on 30 Jun 1904 in the Bendigo Hospital from influenza and pneumonia 3 days. His was a miner whose father was Joseph NEWTON and mother Mary NEWTON maiden name REDDEN. He was buried in the Bendigo Cemetery on 3 Jul 1904 and the informant was the undertaker Thomas SAYER. George was born at Arnold Street, Bendigo and spent 7 years in Qld and 21 in Victoria.
I initially dismissed this registration as not being your George as according to the certificate, he married Alice FOSDYKE in Charters Towers when he was 21 years of age and issue of the marriage were Mabel 6 years and Bertram 4 years.
Taking into account that both George's parents were deceased I wonder who gave the undertaker the information. I assume that Mabel is Frances Mabel b. 1898 and Bertram is George Herbert born 1900.
Unfortunately Qld certs are expensive. What is the name of George's brother from whom your contact is descended?
I can find no marriage for a George NEWTON to an Alice FOSDYKE anyone on the Qld bdm's.
What do other chatters think?
Cando
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Correction...his mother died in 1915.
Cando
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Hi there,
That was very kind of you Cando.
I understand that Qld certs can take twelve weeks :-X
I am not much help outside of NSW searchings, but I did find this electoral roll entry when following up on the Qld marriage that Ros spotted.
QLD ER 1910 WARWICK
Newton, Ellen, Percy St, domestic duties
Newton, George, Percy St, railway employee
Of course, the ER may NOT be for the 1906 married couple. Could well be two siblings or Aunt and nephew, or two people with same surname living in same street, AS the rolls do not even indicate it was the same house !
Cheers, JM
There is a marriage for a George Newton to Ellen Elizabeth Mills in 1906 in Qld 1906/C674 Perhaps George remarried ...?
regards,
Ros
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Yes, very kind of you Cando :-*
I have a lot of offline resources here for QLD.
I will see what I can dig up later. :)
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Majm, thank you for your interest - this is what i wrote to a chap on ancestry and his reply:
"I hope you dont mind me contacting you, but I am helping a dear friend trying to trace his fathers whereabouts from birth to 6 years and how he came to be placed as a foster child with the Perkins Family in 1906 - http://sites.google.com/site/perkinspioneerfarmers/chapter-5---remarkable-robert
I wrote to ********* as he has a George Newton in his tree and he suggested that I contact you.
Our story so far is we have a Herbert George Newton DOB 26th June 1900 and died 13th December 1975 in Peterborough SA. My friend, Bernard Newton, could never find a birth certificate in Australia for his father, so had always assumed that he was a child migrant until........we posted on the rootschat forum http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,577644.0.html for information on child migrants and a user found a birth account of Herbert in Queensland with the exact date of his birthday, so naturally we have assumed that it is him (I hope we are on the right track!) from there we have gathered the following information. His father is listed as a George Newton and his mother is listed as Frances (Fanny) Fountaine, Frances died on the 14th July 1900 only a few weeks after Herbert was born which may explain why Herbert was placed into foster care 6 years later. Our question being where on earth was he until being placed - in an orphanage or did the family try and cope without a mother and wife? There is apparently a sister to Herbert, a Frances Mabel Newton born 1898, I am unable to find any further information on Frances Mabel Newton, which would be of great help :)
My question to you is would you know if your George Newton was married previously before marrying Ellen Elizabeth Mills in 1906? Could it be possible that there is a far extended family that may be able to answer my friend Bernards questions?
All Bernard remembers is his father saying that he was delivered to the Perkins family by a salvation army lady.
Many thanks for your time in advance and I look forward to your reply.
cheers JO & Bernard"
AND THE REPLY (sorry not yelling): Hi Jo & Bernard,
"My George Newton, parents George Newton and Fanny Oakley, was born on 19th May, 1887 Brisbane Qld married Ellen Elizabeth Mills 01 January 1906 aged 18 and died 28th June, 1961 Toowoomba Qld. In 1900 when your Herbert George Newton was born my George Newton was only 13 years old.I did find a George Newton had married a Fanny Fontaine on 02 March 1898 in Queensland via ancestory inquiry. We don't seem to have a connection here. I wish you well in your research. "
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There is a death on Qld. BDM for 14 July 1900 for
Frances NEWTON, father Gille FONTAINI, mother Lavinia MORRIS
Reg 1900/C2445
C means it was in the country somewhere. However in 1900 this could have been as close as Ipswich or as far away as Cooktown.
It's the only Frances Newton in 1900, BTW
Dawn M
QLD ER 1895 BURNETT
FONTAINE, Gille, residence at Eidsvold
Qld Intestacy Returns Transcript
Gille FONTAINE, born France, place of death EIDSVOLD Qld
Court : Brisbane, 14 June 1899, page 1426, Vol LXXI
Cheers, JM
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Qld Intestacy Returns Transcript (http://www.qfhs.org.au/ )
Gillie FONTAINE, born France, place of death EIDSVOLD Qld
Court : Brisbane, 10 June 1898, page 1555, Vol LXIX
Noticing the slightly different spelling for given name, perhaps TWO chaps, I am not at all sure, sorry.
Cheers, JM
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George and Fanny's marriage (searching 1890-1904) is listed in Qld BDMs at
1898/C1156,actual date is 02 March 1898.
If George died 1904 in Bendigo, he couldn't have married in Qld. in 1906 :) :) :)
Dawn M
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Qld. BDMs give Frances Mabel Newton born to George & Fanny on 17 August 1898,
reg. 1898/C6582
Dawn M
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I think we are going around in circles ;D
Is George, a miner, who died in 1904 the father of Frances Mabel and Herbert George - the ages of the chn are correct on the death cert but the names Mabel and Bertram are not quite correct, however we have the name of the wife as Alice FOSDYKE ::) Yes, the Qld marriage cert for George and Fanny would help but they are expensive.
Cando
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This is possibly the next step
http://www.access.prov.vic.gov.au/public/PROVguides/PROVguide060/PROVguide060.jsp
Cando
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Hi there,
Public online tree SO (not shouting, but typing very loudly) all care, it is submitted, needs careful verifying ..
Gelli FONTAINE,
born 1826, Lillze, Belgium
death 18 Aug 1897, Eidsvold Hospital Qld
married 10 April 1861 Camden Middlesex to Lavinia Ann Norris RIDER 1841-1885
migration details not displayed for Mr and Mrs and Miss Fontaine who married in Qld 29 May 1890 to Michael WALL.
I will log out and hunt up my big book of newspaper cuttings for Burnett and Bundy in Qld.
Cheers, JM
PS, the Qld certs are not just expensive, but take WEEKS and weeks ;D I cannot find FOSDYKE in my meagre Qld ERs, sorry
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Re: Child Migrant Ships to Australia from the UK 1900-1906
Here is a related topic so information is not duplicated
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JM I doubt the information on George's death cert is accurate.
Our Herbert George Newton was born 1900 and was fostered to the Robert John and Mary Ann Perkins Family in Australia in 1906. My friend says that he never really talked about his father's foster details with him, but knows that a lady from the Salvation Army delivered Herbert to the family. He has tried to obtain information from the Salvation Army but apparently all records were lost in a fire.
It does seem a big step from Bendigo to the family in South Australia in that era. I would be contacting the links on the PROV website on my previous post.
Cando
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Re: Child Migrant Ships to Australia from the UK 1900-1906
Here is a related topic so information is not duplicated
I gather you are mentioning this because of the previous linked post. However it would appear that George was possibly born in Bendigo in 1873 but as you can read on this thread the information on his death cert is a little odd ie if it is him. Jo has made contact with a descendant of George's brother.
Cando
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Re: Child Migrant Ships to Australia from the UK 1900-1906
Here is a related topic so information is not duplicated
I think Neil may have linked that earlier .... reply # 1
And I understand Cando's point too, ;D but if Frances aka Fanny Fontaine could only be Alice Fosdyke :) It will only take my time to look through the offline cuttings I have. It was Cando's kind pennies.
Cheers, JM
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Re: Child Migrant Ships to Australia from the UK 1900-1906
Here is a related topic so information is not duplicated
Sorry the link did not work, I am rubbish at this can anyone help
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Re: Child Migrant Ships to Australia from the UK 1900-1906
Here is a related topic so information is not duplicated
Sorry the link did not work, I am rubbish at this can anyone help
Sorry I did not see the link on post 1
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The only marriage in QLD I can see is this one & obviously not the one we are looking for :(
FORSDIKE Alice Emily m. PEARSON Harry 02/02/1895 #C1709
There doesn't appear to be any births registered to them in QLD.
Death:
PEARSON Alice Emily d. 1947 #B13608
Parents:James Howlett Forsdike & Emily Caswell
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Mmm wonder if George returned to Bendigo from Qld with an Alice FOSDYKE or had formed a relationship with an Alice FOSDYKE after his return to Bendigo :-\ :-\
Time to prepare the evening meal ;D
A search at PROV would be my next step as the Salvation Army are unable to assist.
Cando
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Thank you to all of you! SO, for my first time researching, I haven't been given an easy task if it has all you 'expert' researchers baffled, I was honestly throwing my hands up in the air. I so appreciate all the info!
cheers JO
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I could well be way off track but there’s this birth in Qld
Alice Georgina FONTAINE, dau of Gille FONTAINE and Lavenia Ann Morris RIDER. 1881/C1224 I cannot find a marriage or a death for Alice Georgina FONTAINE online Qld bdm. I can see the surname MISMASHED as DONTAIN for the marriage of her likely sister though ….
Could Alice Georgina FONTAINE be Alice Fosdyke, ie Mrs George Newton ….. or perhaps is FOSDYKE a mismash for Fontaine ;D or am I way way off track ::)
Cheers, JM (gradually getting through the cuttings, alas, not finding anything as yet.)
ADDING (cannot see if I am duplicating, if so, my apologies)
There's a possible 1898 birth for a baby for Alice FONTAINE at Qld bdm, Muriel Gwendoline FONTAINE C9218 Fingers crossed.
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Frances had 9 siblings:
Lavinia Fontaine 1862 -1931
Maria Fontaine 1864 -
Charlotte Frances Fontaine 1870 - 1868
Thurza Elizabeth Fontaine *1871 - 1949
August Fontaine *1871 - 1957 *TWINS
Augustine Lucy Fontaine 1875 -1922
Gillie Joseph Charles Fontaine 1877 - 1960
Emma Mabel Fontaine 1879 - 1950
Alice Georgina Fontaine 1881 - 1947
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Augustus James & Thurza Elizabeth weren't twins. Their registered births show that:
August James b. 13/07/1871 #C244
Thurza Elizabeth b. 11/01/1874 #C341
I can tell you that Augustus (Gus) James married into the very well known McNamara family.
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Frances had 9 siblings:
Lavinia Fontaine 1862 -1931
Maria Fontaine 1864 -
Charlotte Frances Fontaine 1870 - 1868
Thurza Elizabeth Fontaine *1871 - 1949
August Fontaine *1871 - 1957 *TWINS
Augustine Lucy Fontaine 1875 -1922
Gillie Joseph Charles Fontaine 1877 - 1960
Emma Mabel Fontaine 1879 - 1950
Alice Georgina Fontaine 1881 - 1947
Hi there,
Your list :
Is that from QLD BDM records, or perhaps only from a SUBMITTED tree, that needs you to verify their submissions against official records? :)
Alice Georgina Fontaine’s death is noted as Alice Georgina GURDLER, in Brisbane 1947 (parents Gille Fontaine and Lavinia Ann Morris Rider).
A public tree at Ancestry has her marriage as 21 March 1903, New Farm, to Thomas Henry GURDLER. BUT I cannot find that marriage listed at Qld BDM online. I can find Qld BDM listing children’s births to Alice Fontaine as GURDLER, from 1904, 1906, 1914 with father as Thomas Andrew GURDLER. The same online public tree has NO Thomas Andrew GURDLER mentioned. The public tree makes NO mention of the 1898 birth I spotted. :)
Cheers, JM
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Here's the marriage JM :)
FONTAINE Alice Georgina m. GIRDLER Thomas Andrew 21/03/1903 #B2470
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Thanks, well that seems to sort that out then. I have found nothing in the cuttings either.
Cheers, JM
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If anybody is interested in making anything out of this:
Frances Pearl De La Fontaine Married ERIC KEOLUO KAMALU KANAHI in Sydney in 1950. Ref # 16453/1950
She seems to be the only Frances that looks remotely like the Frances Newton / Fontaine that is the Sister ???
Neil.....possibly way off track...but who knows ::)
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Thanks Neil,
there appears to be seperate surnames - I have come across De La Fontaine and La Fontaine.......I believe they have no significance to Fontaine.
cheers JO
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I have found Frances - she is buried at the Charters Towers cemetery, died 14th July 1900 of Osteomylitis, buried 15th July 1900.
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Thank-you so much to Cando for her time and effort in finding and sending me Georges' death certificate - is so truly appreciated!!!
kind regards JO
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Pleased to help. ;D
I see that George's brother died in Qld in 1925 and there is a photo of him on Ancestry. Did you find it?
Cheers
Cando
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Hi Everyone,
Re George's brother Joesph Jnr - yes Cando, a member of the Newton Family emailed me the photo of Joesph. :)
I would like to thank everyone who helped me in this post - Bernie is over the moon, just brings us a little closer to finding out what happened to his father, Herbert George and Frances Mabel. We will just keep 'soldiering on' and try to put the jigsaw into its correct place.
Many thanks
Jo & Bernie xx
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I am still very new to all this family tree stuff and have been looking for information on Gille Fontaine who is my great-great-great-great grandfather I was just wondering where you found the information? I have looked on QLD BDM I know some of the information above is correct as I have found it through some family sources but keep hitting a wall. any help would be appreciated! although above there is listed 9 siblings I was told there was 13 so now im confused, as I am searching for their names!
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Hello Danielle and welcome
bnewt who started this topic hasn't been online since August and may not have his/her notification turned on.
If you make two more posts, just like saying thank you on one, & something on the other, you can then use the personal message system to contact Jo direct.
Dawn M
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Hi danielle2102,
:D Welcome to RootsChat :D
This is my opinion on the children....
Lavinia Charlotte Miriam FONTAINE (died London?)
Birth Registered December Quarter 1862
Camberwell
London
Volume: 1d
Page: 522
Maria Louise Emma FONTAINE (died Qld 1916 STUART)
Birth Registered March Quarter 1864
Camberwell
London
Volume: 1d
Page: 558
Frances Mary Ann Lucy FONTAINE (died 1867 Qld)
Birth Registered September Qtr 1865
Camberwell
London
Volume: 1d
Page: 549
I think that the first child Lavinia died as the immigration record (Queen of the South, 1865) names the children as Maria aged 1, and Frances, an infant. However there was a daughter named Lavinia who died in Queensland in 1931 as WALL. (Parents named in the hard copy indexes, but not in the online indexes) I would want confirmation of her age before I assumed that she was the daughter born in London and was simply omitted from the immigration record. Her burial record at Gayndah says that she was born c1863 in Liverpool, England.
Births in Queensland
1867/C1379 Unnamed (F) Fontaine Gill Lovinia Reder (died 1867)
1868/C284 Louis William Fontane Gille Livenia Rider (died 1884)
1870/C207 Charlotte Frances Fontaine Gille Lavinia Rider (married 1889 BRAZIN)
1871/C244 August James Fontaine Gille Lavinia Rider (died 1957)
1874/C341 Thurza Elizabeth Fontaine Gille Lavinia Ann Morris Rider (died 1949 TIMPERLEY)
1875/C444 Augusta Lucy Fontaine Gille Lavinia Ann Morris Rider (died 1922)
1877/C782 Gille Joseph Charles Fontaine Gille Lavinia Ann Morris Rider (died 1960)
1879/C978 Emma Mabel Fontaine Gille Lavinia Ann Morris Rider (died 1950 BENTLEY)
1881/C1224 Alice Georgina Fontaine Gille Lavenia Ann Morris Rider (died 1947 GURDLER)
That would make 13 children if there were in fact two Lavinias born.
Either of the parents' death certificates should list all children, living and deceased.
Debra :D
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Hi danielle2102,
:D Welcome to RootsChat :D
This is my opinion on the children....
Lavinia Charlotte Miriam FONTAINE (died London?)
Birth Registered December Quarter 1862
Camberwell
London
Volume: 1d
Page: 522
Maria Louise Emma FONTAINE (died Qld 1916 STUART)
Birth Registered March Quarter 1864
Camberwell
London
Volume: 1d
Page: 558
Frances Mary Ann Lucy FONTAINE (died 1867 Qld)
Birth Registered September Qtr 1865
Camberwell
London
Volume: 1d
Page: 549
I think that the first child Lavinia died as the immigration record (Queen of the South, 1865) names the children as Maria aged 1, and Frances, an infant. However there was a daughter named Lavinia who died in Queensland in 1931 as WALL. (Parents named in the hard copy indexes, but not in the online indexes) I would want confirmation of her age before I assumed that she was the daughter born in London and was simply omitted from the immigration record. Her burial record at Gayndah says that she was born c1863 in Liverpool, England.
Births in Queensland
1867/C1379 Unnamed (F) Fontaine Gill Lovinia Reder (died 1867)
1868/C284 Louis William Fontane Gille Livenia Rider (died 1884)
1870/C207 Charlotte Frances Fontaine Gille Lavinia Rider (married 1889 BRAZIN)
1871/C244 August James Fontaine Gille Lavinia Rider (died 1957)
1874/C341 Thurza Elizabeth Fontaine Gille Lavinia Ann Morris Rider (died 1949 TIMPERLEY)
1875/C444 Augusta Lucy Fontaine Gille Lavinia Ann Morris Rider (died 1922)
1877/C782 Gille Joseph Charles Fontaine Gille Lavinia Ann Morris Rider (died 1960)
1879/C978 Emma Mabel Fontaine Gille Lavinia Ann Morris Rider (died 1950 BENTLEY)
1881/C1224 Alice Georgina Fontaine Gille Lavenia Ann Morris Rider (died 1947 GURDLER)
That would make 13 children if there were in fact two Lavinias born.
Either of the parents' death certificates should list all children, living and deceased.
Debra :D
thanks yes the only 2 children that immigrated to Australia were Maria and (Charlotte (Frances)) there were two Lavinia's from my details I am missing 3 of the children although my notes (I wrote them almost 12mths ago, had to stop whilst I was studying coz it was too much. well more too distracting). Said 13 known children, although stupid me didn't write them down and cannot find where I originally found them. Still trying to work it all out I seem to need to refine my search skills on the government sites like BDM coz QLD is different set up from WA
Can you direct me Debra to where you located the 3 deaths above? I get lost when I start searching pre- Australia
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Hello Danielle and welcome
bnewt who started this topic hasn't been online since August and may not have his/her notification turned on.
If you make two more posts, just like saying thank you on one, & something on the other, you can then use the personal message system to contact Jo direct.
Dawn M
Cheers Dawn, I did see it was August, I was glad to just see it was the same year. Most of the time when I am seen things on forums it's been years. So i just thought id post a message in the hope someone might be able to help me get started where to look as there was a lot of information already being bounced around on here!
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Well, now you've made 3 posts you can use the PM system and send a personal message to bnewt if you wish.
Just go to one of the posts he/she made and click on the little symbol on LHS which I think is supposed to look like a person :) and you get to the profile and on the LHS under the name there is a line 'Send PM' to click and off you go.
Cheers
Dawn M
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Finally found where I had written them down :)
1. LAVINIA CHARLOTTE MIRIAM, born 1862 in Reg. Camberwell 1d 522, London, Surrey, Eng;
Michael Wall; died 13 Dec 1931 in Gayndah, QLD, AUS; buried 19 Dec 1931 in Gayndah
Cemetery, Gayndah, QLD, AUS.
2. MARIE LOUISA EMMA (LOUISA), born 1864 in Reg. Camberwell 1d 588, London, Surrey, Eng;
David Stuart; died 3 Feb 1916 in QLD, AUS.
3. FRANCES MARY ANN LOUISE, born 1865 in London, just prior to leaving (birth not registered),
England; died 2 Sep 1867 in Ipswich, QLD, AUS; buried 3 Sep 1867 in Ipswich Gen. Cem.,
Ipswich, QLD, AUS.
4. UNNAMED, born 12 Jul 1867 in Ipswich, QLD, AUS; died 13 Jul 1867 in Ipswich, QLD, AUS;
buried 13 Jul 1867 in Ips Gen Cem, Ipswich, QLD, AUS.
5. LOUIS WILLIAM, born 3 Oct 1868 in Dalby, QLD, AUS; died 8 Nov 1883 in Dalby, QLD, AUS.
6.CHARLOTTE FRANCES, born 16 Feb 1870 in Dalby, QLD, AUS; William P. Brazier; died 25 Sep
1968 in Jandowae, QLD, AUS; buried after 25 Sep 1968 in Jandowae Cem., Jandowae, QLD,
AUS.
7.AUGUST JAMES, born 13 Jul 1871 in Dalby, QLD, AUS; Sabrina McNamara; died 27 Nov 1957
in Richmond, QLD, AUS.
8.FRANCES AMELIA (FANNY), born 14 Oct 1872 in Dalby, QLD, AUS; George Newton; died 14
Jul 1900 in QLD, AUS.
9.THIRZIA ELIZABETH, born 11 Jan 1874 in QLD, AUS; Thomas Timperley; died 3 May 1949 in
QLD, AUS.
10.AUGUSTA LUCY (LUCY), born 17 Jul 1875 in Dalby, QLD, AUS; Defacto Abdul Kaus; died 20th
Nov 1922 in Brisbane, QLD, AUS; buried 22 Nov 1922 in Mt Gravatt Cemetery, Brisbane, QLD,
AUS.
11.GILLE JOSEPH CHARLES (AKA CHARLES GILBERT), born 12 Mar 1877 in QLD, AUS; Emily
Edith McKew; died 1 May 1960 in Brisbane, QLD, AUS; buried 3 May 1960 in Toowong Cemetery,
Brisbane, QLD, AUS.
12. EMMA MABEL, born 15 Jul 1879 in Dalby, QLD, AUS; Fred Bentley; died 4 May 1950 in
Toowoomba, QLD, AUS; buried 5 May 1950 in Drayton & Toowoomba Cem., Toowoomba, QLD,
AUS.
13.ALICE GEORGINA, born 12 Oct 1881 in Patrick St., Dalby, QLD, AUS; Thomas Henry Gurdler;
died 7 Dec 1947 in Mater Hospital, Brisbane, QLD, AUS; buried 9 Dec 1947 in Balmoral Cem.,
Brisbane, QLD, AUS.
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Hi all - discovered this thread a while back and as a ggson of Gille also interested. My cousin has a Fontaine family bible which shows the baby who died soon after birth (11 July 1867) was to have been called Jeanette. Also may be of interest that the family believe Gille operated a boxing and fencing school in Dalby.
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Hi all - discovered this thread a while back and as a ggson of Gille also interested. My cousin has a Fontaine family bible which shows the baby who died soon after birth (11 July 1867) was to have been called Jeanette. Also may be of interest that the family believe Gille operated a boxing and fencing school in Dalby.
Wow that is really cool, would be interested in what information you have. I knew there was a baby that died soon after birth, although no record of a possible name. I have a little information but he seems to be very elusive. Not many of the Fontaine's on my side are still living just my grandfather and his sister.
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Danielle, I don't have a lot more than in this string. However, have been trying to find parents of Louis and Marie on arch.arch.be, but not sure yet. One thing I did find in English census records of 1861 was a Lucy Smoothey age 66 (most likely Mary Ann's mum) living as a nurse to Joseph and Mary Kimpton and family. Kimptons appear to have been well off ,living at 10 and 11 Old Kent Rd,Lambeth, Camberwell. Joseph shown as "freeholder and fundholder". Seiey(Lucy) married to William Henry Unwin 9 Oct 1840 at St Mary's,Whitechapel, Tower Hamlets.
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Danielle, I don't have a lot more than in this string. However, have been trying to find parents of Louis and Marie on arch.arch.be, but not sure yet. One thing I did find in English census records of 1861 was a Lucy Smoothey age 66 (most likely Mary Ann's mum) living as a nurse to Joseph and Mary Kimpton and family. Kimptons appear to have been well off ,living at 10 and 11 Old Kent Rd,Lambeth, Camberwell. Joseph shown as "freeholder and fundholder". Seiey(Lucy) married to William Henry Unwin 9 Oct 1840 at St Mary's,Whitechapel, Tower Hamlets.
Yes the Arch.arch.be website is a great site for Fontaine research. I havent looked too much at the English records. I only have a date of death for Mary Ann's mother also a possible other name of Seiey too I thought maybe maiden name, but haven't looked into it yet. but no first name. Interesting you have she is married to a William Henry (I know it was a common name), but I also have a William Henry Luke Rider as Mary Ann's husband. Where does your family tree go after Gille??
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For Louis Fontaine I have down father as Louis snr. and mother Dubois Marie Catherine
Curious do you have any other names of siblings for Gille and Louis Joseph? I know there is at least another sister, I have had a break from research while I finished my course so only just getting back into it now, and this is where I have started to try and find the siblings names (and confirm them).
Hallot Marie Josphe Francoise Hannon I have father down as Hallot Theodore Hannon & mother as Sacre Marie Charlotte (currently havent found a surname).
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Related thread started by danielle2102:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,629168.0.html
Danielle's web-site:
http://armstrongfontainefamilytree.blogspot.com.au/
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Danielle,Agree that Louie's dad probably Louie snr (dates need checking) and mum Marie Catherine Dubois. Also parents of Marie Joseph Hallot I have as Theodore Hallot and Marie Charlotte Sacre (Hallot and Sacre are surnames, I believe. Mothers name appears to be mispelled on Gille's birth cert. I have no sibling names. My line is through Gille's dtr Emma Mabel.
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Yes I have Hallot and Sacre down as possible surnames, although havent been able to confirm it yet. Yes apparently the mother's name was spelt different on Gille's birth certificate. No problem with the siblings, take on the challenge again to find out how many there is and their names.
Ah cool wouldnt mind if you could give me a little information on Emma Mabel all I have for her is dob 15 July 1879 Dalby QLD and died 4 May 1950 Toowoomba QLD but have no spouse or children for her. If your happy to share some information feel free to email me at (*)
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