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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Australia Lookups completed => Topic started by: riverrat on Monday 02 July 12 11:33 BST (UK)
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Hi All,
William Edward George Gittus was born on the 6th May 1900, at Lyell, Tasmania.
After either divorcing his first wife, or she died, [Dora Adila Dobbins], he married Phylliss Daisy Vincent, b: 10th October 1893, at Emu Bay, [Burnie] - Tasmania. Daughter of Henry Vincent & Alison Polson. Do not know where they married, if in fact they did.
My question is, can any-one tell me when/where both William & Phyllis died, and where are they buried.
I was told there is a a birth entry for a male R.W. Gittus born on 30th July 1933, [possibly still alive], at The Nerarra Hospital, Goulburn - Victoria. The article apparently mentions both Edward and Phyllis, so it is possibly the couple in question. I am unaware of what newspaper the Birth entry is mentioned in, it was quiet a long time ago.
Hope some-one can help.
riverrat
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Kind of cute regarding Phyliss and her daughter:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0obp/
Jamjar
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If this is him - his names in different order - he was alive in Sept 1932
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0obq/
Jamjar
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GITTUS William George Edward 75 Burial 19-Mar-1976 last residence NEWTOWN
Grave location -
Cemetery : Cornelian Bay
Church of England
Section : LK
Number 112,
No Phyllis
Jamjar
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Don't know what you'll make of this, but he is buried with:
Dora Della Mary GITTUS
Age : 78
Burial
Service date : 19-Nov-1980
Last residence : NEWTOWN
Cemetery : Cornelian Bay
Church of England
Section : LK
Number 112,
Jamjar
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One of our other RC'ers has a thread on the GITTUS & VINCENT family:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,523001.0.html
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Hi jamjar,
Thanks for the information. You are right with the arrangemnet of christian names, his name is in fact William George Edward GITTUS.
Dora Gittus was his second wife, I thought it was his first.
It now makes me think that the birth entry of R.W Gittus are now two different people.
Thanks .
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Somewhat interesting. ;)
Jamjar
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Here is their marriage:
GITTUS WILLIAM GEORGE EDWARD m. DOBBINS DORA DELLA MARY 30/04/1921 #39
Place: ST MARKS CHURCH, BELLERIVE
As you can see, Dora was his first wife :)
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His birth:
GITTUS Wm George Edward b. 06/05/1900 QUEENSTOWN, TASMANIA #2832
Father: Geo GITTUS
Mother: Ada GITTUS nee Mee
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I believe that the hospital that R.W. was born in was in Tassie:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0obt/
Jamjar
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Buried together
Ada GITTUS
Age : 80
Burial
17-May-1956
Last residence: NORTH HOBART
Cornelian Bay
Church of England
Section : CH
Number 44
George Gittus aged 80
Service date :28-Jan-1956
You may find other connections here: http://www.millingtons.com.au/records-search
Jamjar
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Hi riverrat,
The headstone of William George Edward Gittus and his wife Dora Della Mary Gittus.(click onto the link below)
http://gravesoftas.dyndns.org/gravesoftas%20new/Cornelian%20Bay%20Live/Church%20Of%20England/Images/C%20Of%20E/LK/2/Gittus%20William%20George%20Edward.jpg
William and Dora were residing at 23 Pedder Street Newtown at the time of their deaths. C K Gittus (son)was the next of kin on the burial information for Dora Gittus.
Johngirl
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Thanks Johngirl,
Much appreciated.
riverrat
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C K Gittus has also passed on and is buried at Cornelian Bay Cemetery with his wife.
Colin Kenneth Gittus born 7/12/1921 died 20/07/2000 aged 78.
Joyce Fredrica Gittus born 8/06/1924 died 22/05/2001 aged 76.
Roman Catholic ,Section ND,Grave number 343 sub location B
Colin Gittus was residing at Mount Holl Road ,Colinsvale at the time of his death.
Joyce Gittus was residing at The Gardens Nursing Home Claremont Tasmania.
Next of kin for Joyce may be still living so can`t post it on here.
There isn`t a headstone photo for them as yet on the website I use.
Johngirl
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Yes I think the R W Gittus is still alive and living in Southern Tasmania according to the Southern Tasmanian Phone Directory. ;D
Johngirl
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Just so everyone knows & to save any confusion...
riverrat & GeorgeRP are the same person 8)
He had problems with his login today so he created a new account.
The technical team are now looking into the problem & hoping to solve it for him ;D
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Thank-you Merlin,
Out of all this confusion, [in the background], that I have caused, jamjar, johngirl, and others have solved the hassles I've had researching William & Phyllis Gittus nee Vincent. It has been a long time coming.
The only thing that is missing is when the pair married, it was obviously in Tasmania, [perhaps prior to their son's birth in July1933]. If it's any help, Phyllis was born in Burnie 1914.
I could just about close this thread, with complete satisfaction with the responses I've had from all the experts at "RootsChat".
riverrat
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The only thing that is missing is when the pair married, it was obviously in Tasmania, [perhaps prior to their son's birth in July1933].
If it's any help, Phyllis was born in Burnie 1914.
This is the only Phyllis VINCENT born 1914 at Burnie:
VINCENT Phyllis Doreen b. 16/10/1914 #5564
Place: 4½ Mile Emu Bay Railway BURNIE
Father: Colin VINCENT
Mother: Florence VINCENT nee Vincent
Her parents marriage:
VINCENT COLLIN m. VINCENT FLORENCE 14/05/1902 BURNIE #0127
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Hi All,
In my very first post, I mistakenly gave some wrong information stating it was Phyllis Daisy Vincent, who married William Edward George Gittus. In actual fact, it was Phyllis Doreen Vincent, who was born on the16th October 1914 at Burnie in Tasmania.
Phyllis Doreen Vincent, is the daughter of Collin Henry Vincent & Florence Vincent - nee Vincent [Not related], and not Henry Vincent & Alison Polson as I stated].
I've also learnt that Phyllis either divorced or separated from William, and ended up marrying a Charles Henry Johnson.
Phyllis is buried under the name of Phyllis Doreen Johnson, she died on the 18th August 2003, and is buried at Cornelian Bay Cemetery- Hobart, Tasmania.
Charles, her spouse, died on the 23rd August 1973, and is also buried at Cornelian Bay Cemetery.
I have no record of them being married. I have sent an e-mail asking for a photograph of the grave-site, and hopefully they will forward one too me.
I am sorry for any inconvenience I have caused, by giving wrong information.
Cheers
riverrat
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No problems :)
Have you heard from the tech team yet?
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Hi Merlin,
No I haven't.
Cheers
riverrat
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Hi George,
The Phyllis Doreen Johnson who is buried at the Cornelian Bay Cemetery died on the 13/08/2003 and was buried on the 18/08/2003.
The information given on the CD on the burials and Cremations at Cornelian Bay Cemetery I have says that this Phyllis Doreen Johnson was born 22/01/1914.She is buried with her husband who was William George Johnson who was buried 23/08/1972.
They are buried Church of England,section TW,grave number 27 and unfortunatly there is no headstone for them to gather any more information on this Phyllis.
The Charles Henry Johnson who died on the 23/08/1974 (not 1973) was cremated on the 26/08/1974 and has his next of kin as P Johnson wife.His ashes are placed at Cornelian Bay Cemetery: Garden Bed,Section B,number 1082.
Also placed in the same place are the ashes of Phyllis Doreen Jean Johnson wife of the above who was born 1/01/1919 and died 17/12/1997.Next of kin of Phyllis is a B Woolley (daughter)
It has the full first name of the daughter but she may be still living.
The cremation plots are yet to be phtographed but I can go to the Cemetery and take a phot of their cremation plot if you would like to see if there is more information on the plaque for you.
Not sure what you can make of all this as someone may have given you more wrong information. :o
Just hoping the CD I have hasn`t been transcribed wrongly.If you call the Cornelian Bay Cemetery they may be able to check the records for you.I have only usually come across incorrect spelling of names on the CD and not incorrect dates.
Sorry for making things harder for you George. ;D
Johngirl
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Hey Johngirl, haven't seen you here for an age.
The dates you have given are the same as on their website.
Jamjar
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OK, there is a Phyllis married to an Alfred Gittus with a daughter Aileen. So, the article where Phyllis tells someone to back off Aileen is likely not the Phyllis married to William and therefore not a daughter of theirs.
When did Phyllis become such a popular name? :o Obviously a Tassie thing. ;D
Jamjar
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Hi johngirl,
This is an overview of what I think is correct, as at 8.53pm 03/06/2012. ;D ;D ;D
I think your view on the matter is most likely correct.
I also think that where it becomes confusing is when a person has multiple spouses, more so when they have the same Christian names.
Phyllis all up, had three spouses"
1. William George Edward Gittus.
2. William George Johnson; [re-tweaked by you, and formerly known by us as, Charles Henry Johnson].
3. An Unknown Spouse, name not known, [so it only confuses the matter even mentioning him].
I have contacted the Tasmanian Family History Society to provide me with Phyllis Doreen Johnson's Death/Obituary Notice. Having this should provide more helpfull information.
I have been in contact with the Cornelian Bay Cemetery Trust, who said that they will provide me with a photo of the grave-site tomorrow, this also should provide extra information.
It's obvious that I have been given some incorrect information, which I have passed on in this thread, which only makes things harder for every-one, for this I apologize.
I shall forward on what I receive, both from The T.F.H.S., and The Cornelian Bay Cemetery Trust, in due course.
Thanking you all again.
P.S. johngirl, no need to take a photo, as it has been arranged, but thanks anyway.
Regards
riverrat - A.K.A.S. GeorgeRP
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Hi George,
Yes its all very confusing. ;D
Back in about 2004-5 three ladies photographed all the headstones at Cornelian Bay Cemetery ,their Website is called Graves of Tasmania.You can now view photo`s of those headstones that they have taken on their website.They have still a fair way to go uploading them but have done the Church of England,section TW and there isn`t a headstone for Phyllis and her husband William Johnson unless of course one has been placed since the ladies photographed all the graves.
http://gravesoftas.dyndns.org/gravesoftas%20new/Cornelian%20Bay%20Live/Church%20Of%20England/Section%20TW.htm
Just wondering if Phyllis had three spouses the unknown name spouse would have to have been number one or number two as she is buried as a Johnson so William Johnson would have been her third and final husband am I correct or did she not marry the unknown named spouse/partner and he was her last spouse /partner.Getting my self more confused I think. ;D
Hopefully Phyllis Doreen Johnson`s obituary will help. :)
Johngirl
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Hi All,
I have just received the Grave-site photo of William "Bill" Johnson & wife Doreen Phyllis Johnson nee - Vincent.
It states as follows"
Johnson
Bill
21.2.1906-21.8.1978
DOREEN
16.10.1914-19.8.2003
Loved Parents of
Kevin (Dec), Colleen,
Ronald (Dec).
Cherished Grandparents
& Great Grandparents
Until We All Meet Again
R.I.P.
Still waiting for Obituary Notice.
riverrat
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I think the marriage you are looking for is GITTENS, not GITTUS.
Advocate 6 Sep 1949 death Florence Vincent 22 Aug, Romaine, eldest daughter of late Mr and Mrs Harry Vincent.....daughter Mrs Gittens, Cyril, Harry, Lyell, Ronald...Mrs C and Mrs D daughters - in - law.
Advocate 11 July 1952
Colin Vincent...July 9 Burnie Hospital...husband of late Florence..father of Cyril, Henry, Harold (dec), Hedley (dec), Lyell and Doreen (Mrs Gittens, Hobart).
Electoral Roll 1943
Phyllis Doreen Gittens
William John Gittens 97 Galvin St Launceston
Electoral Roll 1949
Phyllis Doreen Gittens 97 Galvin St Launceston
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Something is still wrong here ??? Going back over the previous posts there are TWO different Phyllis's. Actually THREE because I have found another one who has not been mentioned!
GITTUS Wm George Edward b. 06/05/1900 married 30/04/1921 to DOBBINS DORA DELLA MARY. They are both buried together.
VINCENT Phyllis Doreen b. 16/10/1914 married JOHNSON William George. They are both buried together.
JEPSON Phyllis Doreen Jean b. 08/01/1919 married JOHNSON Charles Henry. They are both buried together.
Here is the THIRD Phyllis VINCENT who married 27/09/1916 to a BRAMICH Birton Claude.
So which of these THREE different Phyllis's was supposed to be married THREE times?
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Hi All,
Gee this is getting to be a mess, most probably because of miss-information posted by my-self. [Not Intentionally].
I am a Vincent by birth, both my brother and I, [twins], were adopted out in 1949, hence my interest into my birth family. [There are skeleton's in every-ones closet].
Florence Vincent, mentioned by wivenhoe, [is the mother of Phyllis Doreen Vincent], she is my Grand Aunt, or better still, a sister to my Grand-father, Arthur Royden Vincent.
One of the very first family trees I was given, did have the name "Unknown Gittens". When I asked a bit more about this person, people were very evasive, and up cropped with the name of Gittus. If this was to put me to put me off the track or change the subject, they did a very good job of it. That information was given too me by close family members of Florence Vincent].
From all accounts there was a personal family issue, with the birth of Ronald William ???, [Phyllis's son]. The pair later divorced.
I seemed to gather more information re; the name Gittus, than what I did Gittens, so I thought the family was right , where in fact wivenhoe may have hit the right note..
Did the family try to put this adopted bloke, who possibly in their eyes, was a busy body, asking questions, and seeking answers to private family issues. [hell, I am family], In fact,t I only found out I had a half brother and sister, after 57 years, [in 2006], when I sought details on my birth mother and family..
Getting back to the query of MERLIN, stating there is still something wrong.: There most probably is ; I stated that Doreen had three husbands, on reflection, I believe the "Unknown Spouse", was in actual fact, William George Johnson, [both the same person].
Also, MERLIN metioned that there was a Phyllis Vincent, who married a Birton Claude Bramich. Her full name was Phyllis Daisy Bramich, she was the person I got mixed up with, in one of my very first posts. [That Phyllis is a sister to Florence Vincent].
All the above is of very little consequence if wivenhoe is right. I apologize immensely for the hassle and time wasting that I have caused to the good members of "RootsChat".
Regards
George - riverrat
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No need to apologise, we all love a good chase here ;D
Is there anything else we can help you try & solve?
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Hi George do not appologise,its not your fault that your birth family have been a bit elusive in giving you the right information in the first place.As Merlin said we love a good chase. ;D
Please do not hesitate to ask for more help as I know Merlin and many others on the Aussie Board are excellent at finding information. :)
Johngirl
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Hi MERLIN & johngirl,
No, no more help is needed.
Thanks
George - riverrat