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Title: Birth check
Post by: Aussie Chris on Sunday 01 July 12 05:58 BST (UK)
I have Duncan McCALLUM as born 1834 in Millicent SA died Sep 21 1923 Glencoe SA. In a newspaper death notice it says he was born 1854 in Woodside SA.Which one please.
Title: Re: Birth check
Post by: ~MERLIN~ on Sunday 01 July 12 06:05 BST (UK)
Do you know his parents names or when he married & to whom?

There are a few Duncan McCallum's on the SA index but none are matching the year/s you have given.

The one that died in 1923 has his age listed as 69yrs.
Title: Re: Birth check
Post by: Aussie Chris on Sunday 01 July 12 07:44 BST (UK)
Parents Duncan McCALLUM,1812-1892 and Mary CAMERON,1818-1898, both of Argyleshire,Scotland. Married Caroline Henriette Wilhelmine Dorothea(Doris)PAHL 1861-1940. Chris
Title: Re: Birth check
Post by: ~MERLIN~ on Sunday 01 July 12 08:39 BST (UK)
The marriage shows him as 25yo, so born 1854.
Where did you get your information from?

Marriage:

MCCALLUM Duncan age 25yrs, single, m. PAHL Doris age 21yrs, single, 24/12/1879
Groom's Father: Duncan MCCALLUM
Bride's Father: Frederick PAHL
Place: Res of J P Wright, Millicent: District: Gre: Book/Page: 121/1225




Title: Re: Birth check
Post by: Aussie Chris on Sunday 01 July 12 09:53 BST (UK)
Thank you Merlin. The info comes from family so it seems the date was wrong.1854 seems to fit in.I am trying to find where their land was at Glencoe as I live 20 mins away. I am trying the library tomorrow for rates records or maps. Chris.
Title: Re: Birth check
Post by: ~MERLIN~ on Sunday 01 July 12 10:05 BST (UK)
I can't see his birth in SA or any births with the parents names as Duncan McCALLUM & Mary CAMERON.

Are you sure he was born there & not o/s or interstate?
Title: Re: Birth check
Post by: SASHAR on Sunday 01 July 12 10:12 BST (UK)
There is a birth in 1840 in SA for parents Duncan and Mary McCallum, nee Cameron.

Found on http://www.familyhistorysa.info/births-marriages-deaths/births.html

MCCALLUM Dugald born 1840-11-09 at Adelaide?, father MCCALLUM Duncan, mother CAMERON Mary

SA birth cd only starts at 1842.

Regards,
Sashar
Title: Re: Birth check
Post by: SASHAR on Sunday 01 July 12 10:25 BST (UK)
From the Biographical Index of SA - (not always correct but a good resource generally).

McCALLUM Duncan - parents, Duncan and Mary
born:  22.8.1854 SA  died 1923 Millicent
resided:  Mt Gambier, Glencoe
m:  Doris PAHL b.c.1862 died 1940
child:  Percival Duncan 1886

McCALLUM Duncan b. 1812 Ardtornish Sct. d. 24.9.1892 Tantanoola, bd Millicent.
arr:  1840 on the Dauntless
occ:  Shepherd Farmer residing Dry Ck., Willowie, Tantanoola and others
rel:  Pres
m: Scotland: Mary CAMERON b. 1816 Scotland
died 2.3.1898 Mt Gambier
Children:
Dugald  1840 - 1929
Hugh 1841 - 1927
Alex 1843
Ann TOLMER  1844 - 1943
John  1846
Archibald  1848 - 1922
Janet McARTHUR  1850
Mary LONG  1852
Duncan  1854 - 1923


Regards,
Sashar
Title: Re: Birth check
Post by: Aussie Chris on Sunday 01 July 12 10:28 BST (UK)
Duncan And Mary immigrated on July 10 aboard "Dauntless". They settled on a dairy farm  "Ardtornish" at Modbury. Duncan was apparently born at Woodside and the family moved South in 1863. H e had 5 brothers and 3 sisters .Dugald 1840-1929, Hugh 1841-1923, Alexander 1843-?, Anne 1844-1943, John 1846-1923, Archibald 1848-1922, Janet 1850-1925 and Mary Cameron 1852-1937, Duncan being the youngest.
Title: Re: Birth check
Post by: Aussie Chris on Sunday 01 July 12 10:33 BST (UK)
Thank you Merlin and Sashar I think that's correct.Oral family history can be a bit askew sometimes. Chris.
Title: Re: Birth check
Post by: SASHAR on Sunday 01 July 12 10:41 BST (UK)
Hi Chris,

I can't see that ANY of the children's births were registered from 1842 in SA.
They may have been baptised and used those certificates as proof of age if necessary.   A lot of Catholic births are not registered, I'm not sure about Presbyterian (which is the religious denomination on Bio Index for this family which I posted previously).

Good luck with your research,
Sashar



Title: Re: Birth check
Post by: cando on Sunday 01 July 12 11:22 BST (UK)
It has been documented that in SA both the Scottish and Roman Catholics didn't always register their childrens' births.

You may find this newletter informative
http://www.jaunay.com/newsletter/newsletter8.html

Cando
Title: Re: Birth check
Post by: kennett on Sunday 01 July 12 12:07 BST (UK)
Adelaide,  the first official settlement of South Australia,   was established in December 1836.

Which makes a claim to be born at Millicent in 1834,  perhaps not impossible,  but rather dubious.
Title: Re: Birth check
Post by: cando on Monday 02 July 12 07:24 BST (UK)
Chris you may like the following to either investigate further now that it has been established that Duncan jnr was born 1854.  I suggest there has been a mistranscription of the year ie 3 for 5 in your family records. Easily done.  The detailed information on BISA appears to me to be submitted. 

MCCALLUM Duncan, Mary CAMERON arrived in SA 1O Jul 1840 aboard DAUNTLESS from Greenock
Sources -  2 [McCULLOM],7,23(2) and 41.

Passenger list and a log of the ship DAUNTLESS which sailed from Greenock, 17 Feb 1840 with about 150 passengers for Adelaide, Port Philip and Sydney.  Diary kept by James Falconer, on his way to Adelaide, then on to Melbourne.
http://www.slsa.sa.gov.au/fh/passengerlists/1840Dauntless.htm

[2]  Register of Emigrant Labourers Applying for a Free Passage to South Australia 1836-41, PRO CO 386/149-151 - At SA Records and may have more information about Duncan.
[7]  Biographical Index of South Australians 1836-1885, SAGHS, 1986  -   Info posted on the thread by Sashar.
[23] 1841 South Australia Census Returns, SAA, GRG24/13 - below
[41] B Leadbeater, South Australia Births 1836-54, Adelaide, 2010-2012

http://www.jaunay.com/census.php
1. MCALLUM  Duncan

2. MCALLUM Mrs

More information available from the author of the website, for a fee.

Sashar has given you the birth information mention in source 41.

Cheers
Cando
Title: Re: Birth check
Post by: Aussie Chris on Monday 02 July 12 10:50 BST (UK)
Thank you Sashar and Cando. The diary is amazing reading. Was that an extraordinary voyage or was that normal ? I don't think any of us would put up with that now. I am getting in touch with another of his relatives who still lives on one of the family farms for any more info.  Chris