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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Northumberland => Topic started by: Trai on Saturday 30 June 12 23:51 BST (UK)
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Just got my great grandparents marrage certificate and my great grandmothers place of residence is the TOWN HALL Newcastle. They were married in 1883 , I didn't think people lived in town halls.
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Hi,
Welcome to Rootschat. :)
Two thoughts: how clear is the writing; could it be Town Hill, Newcastle? Could it be a caretaker's flat at the Town Hall?
Nanny Jan
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Hi ,Nanny jan
Just been looking at the marrage certificate again and it still looks like it says Town Hall. However my great gran dosnot seem to exist before she got married no birth or census records seem to match whats on her marrage certificate. I thought getting the certificate would make it easier to trace her ,ha ha I'm learning.
Trai :)
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Hi,
There are 7 families living at Town Hall Buildings in the 1881 census, Newcastle St. Nicholas. One is the family of the Town Hall Superintendant.
Who are you looking for, maybe someone on here can find her.
Alan.
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A distant cousin of mine was an official called a town sergeant in Aberdeen and lived in a flat in the Town Hall (or Town House as we call it).
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If you give us her details someone on here maybe able to help :)
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Hi'
Im looking for Mary Giblin born 1862/63 married Edward Metcalf in Newcastle Upon Tyne 1883.
Fathers down as John Giblin (deceased -occupation -joiner ). I have her on all cencus records after marrage ( says she was born in Newcastle Upon Tyne ) I have her death certificate she died 5th November 1902 age 39 years in Newcastle Upon Tyne.
I just carnt find her before her marrage ( hoped a sibling would have turned up on one of the cencus records - but that would have made things to easy :) )
Can anyone help please :)
Trai
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The surname is strongly indicative of Irish origins.
There is a Mary Giblin, age 10 b. Middleton Yorks with a sister Catherine, age 7 b. Newcastle-on-Tyne as an inmate in the Ragged School, Newcastle in the 1871 census.
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Another possible family
Newcastle Upon Tyne 1871
RG10/5105
Days Buildings ,All Saints
James Geblin,AGED 36,labourer born Ireland
Mary Geblin,aged 48,born Ireland
Jane,aged 15,born Gateshead
Mary,aged 13,born Walker
Amy,aged 12,born Walker
John,9.born Newcastle
Catherine,aged 7,born Newcastle
James,aged 4,born Newcastle
Sarah,aged 1,born Newcastle
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This family are in All Saints parish in 1861
6 Home Cellars Ballast Hills Byker
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One for a James Giblin and Mary Daly,
Newcastle Upon Tyne 1854
worth looking at
And if Michael D, is around he will be able to tell us I am sure ,the history of the cellars this family are living in on the census,are they under the town hall
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I do hope Michael D is around as he may be able to shed some light on Ballast Hills,were these cellars under the town Hall,as in the census I have posted,
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Hi,
been looking at the 1871 Garths Heads Ragged and Industrial School cencus.
The Mary Giblin on there was born 1859 ( my mary could have got her age wrong on marrage certificate , then got it wrong on every cencus after - :) )
I think it says birth place Yorkshire.
The Catherine Giblin is born 1863 Newcastle upon Tyne ( right age and place but wrong name )
DAYS BUILDINGs -Newcastle 1871 cencus - again this mary is born 1859 - father james ( I suppose John could also be called Jack - know by other ancestors what name they were born with wasnt always what they were know by)
looked up all giblins born on the birth index - non before 1850 - Hackstaples post about Irish link could be right - :)
Radcliff - I like the idea of Mary living in a cellar under the Town Hall - non of my ancestors have done anything interesting yet :)
Trai
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On the marriage certificate that you have - did both parties sign? I am thinking about literacy.
Who were the witnesses? -sometimes useful.
I mention literacy because illiteracy was a frequent cause of altered surnames. For example, Giblin, in an Irish accent might sound to a Geordie ear [or mine] as Giplin or even Kipling. Clerks , census takers and vicars put down what they heard if they were new to an area or parish.
My own fairly simple surname pops up in one area of Gloucestershire, Herefordshire and Monmouthshire in 5 different spellings - the same family. Certificates had crosses for signatures in several cases.
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On the marriage certificate neither parties signed and neither did their one witness -Ann Scott ( I havent traced her to my g grandfathers side , so know idea who she was )
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Then, Trai, I think we have found the cause of the problem. The surname went through various written forms as it was pronounced [or heard]. Rootschat has a thousand such tales.
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Im going to send off for my grandads birth certificate and see how his mothers maiden name is spelt on that -
Thank you to everyone for your help
Trai :)
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A little late, but this is not uncommon. The Mansion House (Town Hall) Doncaster has a flat lived in to this day by staff. Previously and within living memory (I think) the Mayor and family lived in the Mansion House for their year of office.
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My mother, as a child in the 1920's, used to visit the caretaker who had a big flat in the old town hall building in the Bigg Market, N/cle. She said it was on the top floor & they used to lugg the coal all the way up the stairs. That town hall was knocked down late'60's (ish).