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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Topic started by: bisjam on Saturday 30 June 12 08:57 BST (UK)
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Hi am looking for information about a Martha McCammon who may have emmigrated to Canada possibly Winnipeg with some of her family. They were originally from the Portglenone area of Co. Antrim Her mother was called Agnes/nancy. I know some of the family stayed in Ireland so only some may have gone. I have seen a message posted about this on another message board but have been unable to contact the person who posted it.
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Hi
there is an exit out of the UK on the Empress of Britain of a Martha McCammon, aged 19, going to her father giving a destination of Winnipeg, leaving from Liverpool and arriving in Quebec on 13 May 1911.
It does say she is Irish (doesn't say where particularly) but she is sailing on her own.
Could this be her?
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hi there thanks that is likely her the age matches up with date of birth 1891. Is there any other information. I do Know some of the McCammons did stay in Co.Antrim. There are some of them still about I believe.
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Ancestry.ca has free records up until July 2nd. You can view the shipping records and census records for yourself.
There is a marriage from the Manitoba Vital Statistics website (just google and you'll pull it up) on 25 mar 1913 at Winnipeg for Martha McCammon and Richard Johnston. There was a census in 1916 for the prairie provinces which included Manitoba and there is a family of Richard and Martha Johnston in Winnipeg with children Grace, Ezekiel and Gladys.
Debbie
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There is a family tree on ancestry.ca for the Johnston family complete with pictures and stories. Martha's father died after 1922 in Kilcurry and it shows a death in 1940 for her mother Nancy Lamont, also in Kilcurry.
With free access this weekend you should be able to access the family tree and contact the tree's owner.
Debbie
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Thanks for that, I can't access member on tree but can view records.
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I beleive I am the owner of the ancestry site this post has been making reference to. I just found Rootchat and am very excited to have done so. My Grandmother was Martha McCammon and I knew her well. She married Richard Johnston ( thank you for the date of marriage as my previous hunting including on google had not revealed anything) and they lived in Winnipeg all their life. There are still relatives there. I would love to communicate with anyone looking for or having knowledge about my Grandmother as I had hit a dead end. I have some postcards sent back and forth from Ireland to Winnipeg that gave me clues as to who was moving where.
Just as a note, I dont know when Martha's dad died. I was making some assumptions but sometimes having a date there brings up some clues. I forget that others are relying on this information. I also beleive Nancy was Marthas mom but I think she may have died and a relative Agnes stepped in to help. Postcards from Agnes are signed Mother so I am looking to verify facts here. I have also hired a geneologist in Ireland and unfortunately they could not find any additional information.
My email is (*) Would love to hear from you especially if you have contacts in Ireland
Brenda
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Hi
there is an exit out of the UK on the Empress of Britain of a Martha McCammon, aged 19, going to her father giving a destination of Winnipeg, leaving from Liverpool and arriving in Quebec on 13 May 1911.
It does say she is Irish (doesn't say where particularly) but she is sailing on her own.
Could this be her?
the record you quoted in for the Martha McCammon that married Richard Johnston but the picture is not of her. From Martha's granddaughter.
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Glad you found a family connection. The moderators will remove your email address to prevent spamming. Instead post one more time, hi is sufficient, and then you can contact bsjam by PM (private messaging). The PM button is the green scoll on the left hand side of the screeen and you need 3 posts in order to use it.
Nancy and Ann seem to be interchangeable as Christian names and I've found that Agnes and Nancy also seem to be interchangeable, at least in Scotland. Agnes/Nancy are most likely the same person.
Debbie
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Glad you found a family connection. The moderators will remove your email address to prevent spamming. Instead post one more time, hi is sufficient, and then you can contact bsjam by PM (private messaging). The PM button is the green scoll on the left hand side of the screeen and you need 3 posts in order to use it.
Nancy and Ann seem to be interchangeable as Christian names and I've found that Agnes and Nancy also seem to be interchangeable, at least in Scotland. Agnes/Nancy are most likely the same person.
Debbie
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Thank you. That information is extremely useful. was it common the n to use both names at different times because the census in 1901 and 1911 has the female head as Nancy in 1901 and then Agnes in 1911.
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for others looking at this thread
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/
This is the site for the 1901 and 1911 Census for Ireland.
1901 Antrim/Portglanone/Kilcurry
house 1 in Kilcurry
has McCammon
William, head, 42
Nancy, wife, 40
Nancy, mother of William, 89
Jane, 15
Nancy, 12
Martha Ann, 10
Ellen, 9
Maggie, 7
William James, 3
Eliza, 1
1911 Census/Antrim/Portglenone/Kilcurry
house 29 in Kilcurry
McCammon, Agnes, head, 53, married, married 26 years, 9 children born and 9 children living
Martha, daughter, 20
Ellen, ", 18
Margaret, ", 16
William, son, 13
Lizzie, daughter, 11
Racheal, ", 9
This accounts for 8 of the 9 children.
William doesn't show up on the census in Ireland that I could find but Agnes lists herself as head and married.
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If Martha was travelling to her father in Winnipeg in May 1911, that's very probably where he was at the time of the 1911 Irish census, I might think.
The problem with the 1911 Cdn census is the generally appalling transcriptions, especially for an unusual name like McCammon. Ancestry allows fuzzy searches and searches without surnames, for example, but http://automatedgenealogy.com/census11/index.jsp which generally has better transcriptions only allows exact and soundex surname searches, which can completely miss someone badly mistranscribed.
On very quick searches at both places I haven't come up with anybody, but it could be worth more intensive efforts.
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This looks like daughter Rachel who was in the 1911 Irish census:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X8CN-844
(if you sign in you can see the image)
died 1935 in Cleveland Ohio US
aged 29, est birth year 1906
single, occupation saleslady
father William McCammon
> mother Nancy Lamont
both parents born Ireland
And daughter Margaret/Maggie:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X8V3-9VM
(marriage licence application with marriage certificate attached - image can be viewed there)
married Edward P St John in Franklin, Ohio
aged 27, est birth year 1899
born Ireland
father Wm Mccammon
> mother Agnes Lamont
So yes, Nancy=Agnes.
And it looks like at least some of the family ended up in Ohio by the mid-1920s.
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http://automatedgenealogy.com
allows you to search both under surname or for example go to Mainitoba, then to Winnipeg and search all surnames beginning with M or any other letter. It also allows you to pick other surnames and merge them.
You can also view the original documents for free.
www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databaes/index-e.html
You can access the 1916 census through Microform digitization at Library and Archives Canada and using the info from family search, can usually find the original documents as well. It just takes a bit of time.
One of the alternate surnames to look at is McAmmond. Family search will also bring up Cameron when doing a search through them.
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http://vitalstats.gov.mb.ca/Query.php
You can search for marriages up to 80 years ago and deaths up to 70 years ago.
Martha's 1913 marriage to Richard Johnston is there. The "detailed view" doesn't give any more info, e.g. parents' details.
I don't suppose William "re"married in Winnipeg??
There is the marriage of a William Millard McCammon in Winnipeg in 1912.
Or could this perhaps be the eldest child of William and Nancy/Agnes, not seen in the 1901 or 1911 and perhaps the first to go to Canada?
-edit - nope, I forgot there was a son William James in 1901, aged 3, so not that.
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just fixing valeriec's url ;)
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/index-e.html
1911 census
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/census-1911/index-e.html
1906 census of Northwest provinces
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/census-1906/index-e.html
(neither is searchable by name so it's a bit of a monumental task)
http://www.findmypast.co.uk/passengerListPersonSearchStart.action
shows a Wm Mccammon travelling Liverpool to Halifax in 1910
(I think the second record shown is a duplicate)
I'm not finding it on a quick search at collectionscanada
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/immigration-1925/001012-100.01-e.php
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Please forgive me for not using this site and replying as is polite to each but I normally don't use chat sites. This site and all of you on this site have been amazing. Thank you so much for all of your assistance.
William likely did come to Canada for at least a while to work. The railway in Winnipeg was providing much needed stable work. Reason both the McCammons and Johnstons were there. Martha stated she was going to her father . She landed up working in Alberta for a while at the Banff Springs hotel. This is family verbal history. There is no reason to believe he divorced and remarried. I will be taking out the dates of death for both Nancy Agnes and William as they are not verifiable.
Again many thanks to you all!
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No need to reply to all individually! (That's actually a bit of an annoying thing newbies do, reply to messages one by one. Best to absorb everything added and then give a global reply. ;) )
The 1930 US census has Margaret (McCammon) St John and her husand Edward and son Edward aged 2, with sister-in-law Rachael Mc Cammon (before her death) living with them, in Cleveland.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X43R-9J5
And they are in the 1940 census with another child, William aged 10.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KW65-NKF
That gives you two male people with a fairly unusual surname; you might be able to track down some rellies in that branch! There are three people with that surname in Ohio at present: http://www.whitepages.com
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Please forgive me for not using this site and replying as is polite to each but I normally don't use chat sites. This site and all of you on this site have been amazing. Thank you so much for all of your assistance.
William likely did come to Canada for at least a while to work. The railway in Winnipeg was providing much needed stable work. Reason both the McCammons and Johnstons were there. Martha stated she was going to her father . She landed up working in Alberta for a while at the Banff Springs hotel. This is family verbal history. There is no reason to believe he divorced and remarried. I will be taking out the dates of death for both Nancy Agnes and William as they are not verifiable.
Again many thanks to you all!
I have some good contacts with the Fairmont Hotels (the firm that owns the Banff Springs) who may be able to confirm this employment, but they would likely (if it's even possible for them to do a look-up) need to have a time frame. Would that be of benefit & if so, are you thinking she worked there shortly after the 1911 arrival?
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would be 1911 to 1913. Post cards from 1912 are post marked Banff. Thank you!
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Hi, My Fairmont contact came through, but it's just a lead on the Banff Springs employment, not a confirmation. Here is his response:
Wow…….now there’s a challenge! In that early period of the 20th Century and up until the late 70’s or so, the hotels were owned and operated by the Canadian Pacific Railway. After that they were owned by CP Limited, and eventually independently owned by various corporate entities and operated by the management company, Fairmont, in the late 1990’s.
The Banff Springs was a summer resort only, from 1888 until 1969. The individual hotels have no employee records that far back, but the Canadian Pacific Railway has a significant archive of its own history, which included the hotels of course. The archives consist of an extraordinary collection of photos and memorabilia and they are located in Montreal and to the best of my knowledge are open to the public. Certainly accessible by appointment.
Hotel staff pictures were very common in the day when the hotels operated seasonally and there would be many in the archives. Personnel records might be more difficult to source but who knows!
So, the lead is to contact Canadian Pacific Railways archive in Montreal to place an inquiry. Given the date of her marriage, it appears that Martha would only have worked in Banff the summer she arrived in 1911 (possibly) and then (more likely) the summer of 1912.
This is the inquiry e-mail address for the CPR archives.
archives@cpr.ca
This is the website that provides a bit more info on the CPR archives.
http://www.cpr.ca/en/about-cp/our-past-present-and-future/pages/default.aspx
Good luck.