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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Essex => England => Essex Lookup Requests => Topic started by: verona on Monday 23 May 05 05:56 BST (UK)
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Hello
Can anyone find AGNES JONES on the 1871 please. She should be 14 and probably living in Kirby le Soken or maybe Oakley. If you can find her father James Jones as well that would be a bonus!
Thank you
Chris and Richard
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Hi
The only Agnes Jones I can find on the 1871 census
Agnes Jones c1847 middlesex servant Kirby Essex
RG10/1678 Pg 1
Had a good look at the census and it could read 14 not 24 so the year could be c1857
Mimosa
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Hello Mimosa
Thank you - that looks like her. Is there an address please or the rest of the household? I don't know what the 1871 census looks like so not sure what I can ask you for.
Thanks again
verona
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Hi verona
here she is in 1861 kirby le soken,Ref RG9/1093/41/12/13
65 lower street
james jones 58 ag lab b thorpe
charlotte wife 54 b kirby
william brother 44 ag lab b thorpe unmarried
william 24 nephew ag lab b kirby unmarried
agnes 4 niece b kirby
this looks like william is her father not james
regards
alan
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Hi verona
here's james in 1851 Ref HO107/1779/298/17
63 lower street
james jones 40 ag lab b thorpe
charlotte wife 40 b kirby
thomas 13 b same
mary ann 8 b same
john jones 21 visitor b same
william 16 nephew b same
regards
alan
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Hi verona
here's james in 1841 kirby lower street
james jones 30 ag lab
charlotte 30
james 8
thomas 4
william 20 all born in county
also found possible mother
lower street
mary jones 70 living with a family called cole
hope this is of help
regards
alan
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Thanks Alan
The name Cole also crops up in the family - so may I have the names of the household please.
Also can you find a Sarah Smee anywhere in any of your census sources? We have found that at Agnes Jones marriage to Charles Barfield in 1875 his three sisters were witnesses along with the lady called Sarah SMEE - about whom we know nothing. We are hoping that she will be Agnes's witness and may give us more clues about her. Probably best to look in the 1871 for Kirby to start with.
Further to your comment about William being Agnes's father (see your reply re 1861 census) - the information from the marriage certificate states that James Jones is her father - now of course that may be wrong for all sorts of reasons. I think we need to find her birth certificate but there is the nub of the problem! She states on all censuses that she was born in Middlesex but the 1861 states that she was born in Kirby. Do you know if anyone is willing to look up Kirby records on this site?
Many thanks for all you searching.
Chris and Richard
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Hi Verona
1871
Henry Baker c1822 Kirby Essex Head
Jane Baker c1823 Kirby Essex Wife
Mary Jane Baker c1854 Kirby Essex Daughter
Agnes Jones c1847 Middlesex London Servant
Ellen Snare c1851 Kirby Essex Servant
RG10/1678 Pg 1
Address looks like
1 Kirby Mews Farm
Kirby
Essex
as I said before on checking the census I would say that the age for Agnes is 14 making her birth date c1857
Mimosa
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Thank you Mimosa
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Hi verona
lower street kirby
jeramiah cole 50 fisherman
letita 50
jeramiah 26
?emma 9
william8
mary jones 70
sarah jones 82
all born in county
regards
alan
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Also can you find a Sarah Smee anywhere in any of your census sources? We have found that at Agnes Jones marriage to Charles Barfield in 1875 his three sisters were witnesses along with the lady called Sarah SMEE - about whom we know nothing. We are hoping that she will be Agnes's witness and may give us more clues about her. Probably best to look in the 1871 for Kirby to start with.
Interesting! Is one of the sisters called Louisa?
She married George Deex (spelling varies with Deeks) in 1877, his uncle David had married Ann Smee in 1851, Ann had a brother Joseph Smee (1835-1897)
The only Sarah Smee around at the time so far as I know was a "Sarah Smee " who was the mother of Joseph Smee's daughter Mary E(?) Smee.
I don't know who Sarah was because (deep breath)
Joseph married his second wife Hannah Hunt in 1871, Hannah died 1872 and Joseph and Sarah (born Great Oakley) and the baby had moved to Rotherhithe by the 1881 census - Mary Smee was baptised there in 1882.
Even more confusingly "Sarah" is 33yo in 1881 but has leapt to 58 by 1891!
Could Sarah have been another Barfield sister?
Mary E Smee was born at Great Oakley 27 Feb 1874. No birth registration as a Smee and presumably no point in looking for a baptism in Great Oakley.
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Hello
Well what a surprise after 5 years of silence on this posting! Thank you very much. We are planning to have another look at the family tree and see if any of your information fits in with what we've got so far.
Thanks again
Chris
Yes we have Louisa as a sister of the bride. We have three Deex children of Lousa and George.
Is the David Deex you mention a brother of Abraham Deex who we have as George's father?
It looks as though we need someone to find the marriage of Joseph Smee and Sarah sometime after Hannah's death in 1872 and, perhaps, before the birth of Mary in 1881.
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Sorry about the delay :D
It has taken me a while to sort out the Deex/Deeks mess as I only get to the Essex Record Office when there are cheap deals available at the hotel, one day, I'll bite the bullet and move to Chelmsford
::)
Thinking about it, it is a little strange that as Sarah appears to have been in a "common law" relationship, that the Vicar would have accepted her signing as Smee .........
Pete
http://smee.me.uk
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Hi Pete,
An ancestor sibling of mine Elizabeth Fewell was baptised 24 Apr 1768 at Felsted, parents stated to be William & Margaret Fewell, William Fewell married Margaret Twin 3 May 1768. :o
The rest of William and Margaret's children were all, baptised at Gt Waltham.
So it did happen, although I have to admit it's the only event of it's kind I've seen.
Regards.