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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Topic started by: Brendantheintrigue on Friday 29 June 12 01:45 BST (UK)
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I am writing to inquire if any of you have any information regarding citizenship by decent.
As I mentioned in another thread, I have 2 great grandparents who were off the boat from Ireland. (Deceased.)
I was looking into the aforementioned topic and I noted that if your grandparent was born in Ireland you can claim it, but if your great grandparent was born there, your parent has to have claimed it prior to your birth. Now I was wondering if there is any way to claim it by percentage.
I ask about percentage, because by such I have an equivalent percentage as if a grandparent was actually born there. The work out is as follows: 2 Great-Grandparents from Ireland=100% Irish grandmother=50% Irish parent=25% Irish me. Where as if 1 grandparent from Ireland=50% Irish parent=25% Irish me. Either way I work out to be the same percentage heritage.
I realise that in general that great-grandparents are considered to be too distant, however there is a major difference between 1 great grandparent ergo a 50% Irish grandparent and so on, and a 100% Irish grandparent...
I do realise that this is rather non-standard. However it would be useful should I decide to take a Gap-year in Ireland..
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I am guessing the answer to your question would be "No" .... but surely you would be able to take a gap year in Ireland without citizenship as a requirement? Have you investigated availablility of various visas which may enable extended stays/employment in the country?
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Most certainly, however should I eventually decide to own property and such it makes things much easier, no?
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I don't think it could work by percentages.
Say that someone traced many of their 5x great grandparents, and found that about half of them were born in Ireland. They might then say "I'm 50% Irish" (even though they're not really Irish at all).
That's not the same as having one Irish parent, which is also "50% Irish".
The line has to be drawn somewhere, and from your post it looks like it is at grandparents.
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5 great grandparents? How do you have an odd number? lol...
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5 great grandparents? How do you have an odd number? lol...
"5x great grandparents" is just a more compact way to say great great great great great grandparents.
Do you have to be Irish to own property in Ireland? I'm not sure, but I'm sure you could find out easy enough through a bit of googling. Not sure where you are in the world but there may be different visa and property owning requirements depending on your place of birth? Scrap that, I checked your other post and see that you are in the USA as I suspected. ;)
Assuming you are male (Brendan?), maybe you should marry an Irish girl. ;)
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Having a quick look here:
http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving_country/irish_citizenship/
it looks like you can apply for naturalisation if you meet their requirements.
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First requirement is Foreign Births Registration. You can download the application form. You need proof of birth in Ireland of your grandparents (baptism or civil registration). Civil marriage cert if available. Death certificate. You need to go to your nearest Irish Diplomatic or Consular Mission. Moya
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The rules are quite simple- you need to have at least 1 Irish-born grandparent to claim Irish citizenship.
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http://www.dfa.ie/home/index.aspx?id=80823
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Ahh okay, I didn't realise you mean't 5 as in the number of greats, I thought that you mean't 5 individual great grandparents lol..
Hmm maybe Ill eventually go for naturalisation...
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You don't need to be an Irish citizen to own property in the country. There are thousands of people with no Irish blood whatever who own property (holiday homes etc.)
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You don't need to be an Irish citizen to own property in the country. There are thousands of people with no Irish blood whatever who own property (holiday homes etc.)
I thought that might be the case.
I read that Irish property is expensive so I hope you're loaded. ;D
I take it you have already visited Ireland?
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Hi
Whilst it doesn't look as if you qualify to claim Irish Citizenship by descent it would be worth at least writing to the Irish authorities and getting confirmation.
If you are thinking of going to Ireland to live and work then you need to check whether or not you are eligible to do so and whether you need a visa.
One other possibility is if you can claim citizenship of another European Union country.
Andy
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Im gonna do that next summer. I won't be buying property for a while... still not sure... I want to become a solicitor, so, thats a big decision whether or not I want to become a US lawyer (and live in the US) or a Commonwealth Barrister/solicitor, and possibly work in Ireland..
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I ask about percentage, because by such I have an equivalent percentage as if a grandparent was actually born there. The work out is as follows: 2 Great-Grandparents from Ireland=100% Irish grandmother=50% Irish parent=25% Irish me. Where as if 1 grandparent from Ireland=50% Irish parent=25% Irish me. Either way I work out to be the same percentage heritage.
I realise that in general that great-grandparents are considered to be too distant, however there is a major difference between 1 great grandparent ergo a 50% Irish grandparent and so on, and a 100% Irish grandparent...
Hellllllllllllllooooooooooooo Brendan
What’s with this adding up percentages ….. WHY would you add up percentages?
You have
2 parents 2/2 = 100%
4 grandparents 4/4 = 100%
8 great grandparents 8/8 = 100%
I think your Matherickings are a bit 'double dutch' to me ;D
2 /8 greats were Irish = 1/4 OF THAT GENERATION were Irish = 25% of THAT GENERATION ;D
Using your mathericking logickings and my fingers
4 grandparents = 12.5% Irish
2 parents generation = 6.25% Irish
I think you are 3.125 % Irish
::)
What about the other 96.875%
Teddles
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Some time ago it was being mooted that Americans might be able to claim through a great-grandparent. It hasn't happened though. Political machinations probably, and it may yet change as the world of politics is very fluid.
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Im gonna do that next summer. I won't be buying property for a while... still not sure... I want to become a solicitor, so, thats a big decision whether or not I want to become a US lawyer (and live in the US) or a Commonwealth Barrister/solicitor, and possibly work in Ireland..
Well if you end up 'soliciting', you might end up loaded. ;D You'd better at least visit before you decide if you want to live there though. You mightn't like the place. ;D
Good luck with the studies.
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I ask about percentage, because by such I have an equivalent percentage as if a grandparent was actually born there. The work out is as follows: 2 Great-Grandparents from Ireland=100% Irish grandmother=50% Irish parent=25% Irish me. Where as if 1 grandparent from Ireland=50% Irish parent=25% Irish me. Either way I work out to be the same percentage heritage.
I realise that in general that great-grandparents are considered to be too distant, however there is a major difference between 1 great grandparent ergo a 50% Irish grandparent and so on, and a 100% Irish grandparent...
Hellllllllllllllooooooooooooo Brendan
What’s with this adding up percentages ….. WHY would you add up percentages?
You have
2 parents 2/2 = 100%
4 grandparents 4/4 = 100%
8 great grandparents 8/8 = 100%
I think your Matherickings are a bit 'double dutch' to me ;D
2 /8 greats were Irish = 1/4 OF THAT GENERATION were Irish = 25% of THAT GENERATION ;D
Using your mathericking logickings and my fingers
4 grandparents = 12.5% Irish
2 parents generation = 6.25% Irish
I think you are 3.125 % Irish
::)
What about the other 96.875%
Teddles
I never claimed to be good at maths! lol
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I never claimed to be good at maths! lol
;D ;D
I hope you achieve at 'soliciting' even if you don't know that you had 8 Great grandparents ;D cause I hear the money is good for those who 'solicit'
Teddles
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I should clarify... my soliciting does not involve any suspenders (english) nor fishnets... rofl..