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Research in Other Countries => South Africa => Topic started by: Joy45 on Tuesday 26 June 12 00:29 BST (UK)
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Hi all
I'm trying to confirm the birth place of my grand uncle Douglas Seymour Long.
On 1911 census he is in St. Edward's Orphanage West Malvern Ledbury Herefordshire England and it said he was born in South Africa.
On his death certificate date of birth is 25 August 1902 he died 22 June 1981 Cheltenham Gloucestershire England he was at his sister's house but he lived in Birmingham England.
I can not find his birth in the England.
So was hoping someone can help to see if he was born in South Africa then if he was I only have to work out why the family where out in South Africa!!!
Joy
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hello joy
can you give us his parents names and yr and place of birth please only i,ve looked in passenger records which only start in 1890 and from that year to 1900 there are 104 longs leaving eng for sa of course they may have left earlier but with names and such we may be able to work out when they go missing from the censuses , also i,ve tried naairs the sa national srchives but they appear to be off line at the moment .
regards
trevor
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Hi Trevor
Thank you for the reply Douglas parents
Alfred George Long B: 20 Sept 1855 Sotton Veny Wiltshire
Ada Emily Long nee Tanner B: 5 Nov 1862 Writhlington Somerset. On birth certificate she is down as Emily Ada but married as Ada Emily her mother was Emily.
I have them on all the census up to 1901 they are all together still but moved around, in 1901 living Smithwick. Aflred was married before he married Ada his first wife died of TB.
The last child was born in 1905 then it gets to my brick wall in 1911 have found the whole family living Aston Birmingham but Douglas and his brother Kenneth Walter Long in the orphanage together my grand father was in the navy he joined up when he was 15 yrs. Can not find Alfred George Long at all in 1911 not sure if he died by then he is done as deceased on my grandfathers marriage certificate in 1923.
I can not find Douglas birth and the only hint is on 1911 census where it said South Africa but for his brother it had birth place unknow but he had changed his name around from Walter Kenneth Long to Kenneth Walter Long.
Have all the information on the family expect Douglas birth place and the death of his parents (which is my other brick wall). My grandfather never talked about his family and only ever meet up with his brothers away from home they are all dead now.
I have not found them on any passenger list but one of Afred's brothers was in the army and in South Africa fighting 1901 Seymour Worthington Long.
Any help or ideas would be of great help :)
Joy
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Forgot to say all the other children I have birth and deaths for and they are all born and died in England
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Ist born 1883 Anthony John Denziloe Long with his 1st wife
1890 Dorothy Gwendolene Long with Ada
1891 Alfred Geoffrey Long
1892 Marjorie Elenaora Long
1894 Edward George Long my grandfather
1897 Stephen Henry Long
1902 Douglas Seymour Long
1903 Kenneth Walter Long
1905 Margaret Primrose Long Douglas died at her house she was looking after him when he became ill.
There is one more child that had died before 1911 census but have not found it as was born and died in between census.
Joy
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hi joy have had to send you a pm .
also have found some info on seymour wroughton long service/pension record born sutton veny occ farmer
attestation date 2 apr 1888 age at attestation 21 yrs 5 months regt general service infantry army no 8316
previous service 4 yrs 2nd gloster regt army no 38316
home 2 apr 1888 - 23 apr 1900
south africa 24 apr 1900 - 9 nov 1900
home 10 nov 1900 1 apr 1901
next of kin mother rhoda densaloe long
older brothers robert - alfred - arthur ? - ? - stephen
some of the names above were extremely hard to decipher due to the writing on the record so please bear with me .
i,ll need your thoughts on the pm i sent before we move on i feel .
regards
trevor
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Hi Trevor,
Have sent you a pm.
I have Alfred George Long's family his father was a farmer and the Long's where well know in Sutton Veny Wiltshire.
Alfred Long B:4 June 1815 Sutton Veny D:18 Aug 1867 Sutton Veny he married Rhoda Jane Denziloe B:27 May 1829 Bridport Dorset D: 11 Sept 1911 Cheltenham she was living with one of her sons. They married 28 April 1851 Bridport. The family had money have been trying to find out if the are connected to Sir Walter Hume Long.
Will wait to hear once you have seen my pm.
Joy
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hi joy
will answer pm shortly , but forgot to say in last post that i also found seymour in the boer war records as a driver 1 com army service corps no 8316 .
have you seen this death record for an alfred george long medway kent 1901 oct-dec age 53 vol 2a p 428
regards
trevor
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Hi Trevor,
Yes I did see that entry but as his last daughter was born in 1905 dismissed it.
Thanks for information about Seymour in the boar war that fits into his service record as he is a driver.
Joy
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Hi Joy
While trying to find a relative/parent for Elizabeth Joan Long C1912/15 who we believe was from Gloucestershire with South African links we came across Douglas.
I see you are looking for his mother (in later life) and just in case you had not seen it I found Douglas and Kenneth with Ada Emily Long, Dorothy Gwendoline Long and Margaret Primrose Long on the 1930 Birmingham Electoral Register living at 56 Wyndcliff Road Yardley.
Have you come across Elizabeth Joan Long, married to Donald Cliff Harcombe 1937 in your research. I believe her mother may be MacKintee and she may have been born in Cheltenham.
regards
Becci
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Hi Becci
Have not come across Elizabeth Joan Long but had a quick look and she was born June Q 1917 Cheltenham 6a 629 with mother Mackintee. Her birth certificate will give you her parents.
Thank you 1930 information that is the address they where at in 1911 Ada Emily Long is my great grandmother and can not find a death for her or my great grandfather Alfred George Long he is missing in the 1911 census also.
Regards
Joy
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hi Joy
Yes I think we may have to get the certificate. There are no Mackintee's on the census's at all! Elizabeth Joan was my grandmother but due to family 'breakup's I never met her, my sister and I have gone back a couple of hundred years without problem on both sides of the tree but are stumped by someone as recent as 1917!
I often get sidetracked on ancestry and quite enjoy it so I will have another look for you.
regards
Becci
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Hello Joy, I have just come around in a huge circle! Your Alfred G Long I have today discovered was the younger brother of my gg grandfather Robert. (parents Alfred & Rhoda) Roberts son (my g grandfather) is Walter Seymour Long (b 1882). He was a police officer in South Africa! His daughter was Elizabeth Joan (born 1915 whose mother was Adams we think)
We are just looking at some information online about the family.
I do hope you see this message
Becci
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Hello Becci, Walter Seymour Long was a police officer in South Africa he married a Muriel Anne Bailey their daughter was called Doreen Seymour Long Born 1915 Died 1968 Married William Stewart Hosford they had a son called Barry Hosford he posted on Ancestry notice board it was a long time ago and I sent a reply but had no answer. Walter, Muriel and Doreen came over to visit in 1921 altogether, Walter came over often to visit his brother Robert William Long. I have some photo's of the family at Chitterne Farm Chitterne Wiltshire which I got from the daughter from marriage of Robert William Long's son Geoffrey Robert Wallis Long.
Alfred Long Married Rhoda Jane Denziloe she was from Bridport Dorset they are a interesting family.
If you want to know more send me a pm message.
Regards Maxine
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Oh dear back to square one then.....this is not who I was looking for. But my Elizabeth Joan Harcombe (nee Long) also born 1915 has definite links to South Africa and visited in 1959 (by boat)
Thank you for the information
Becci