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Title: Eliza Smith (Hansler)nothing before 1863 or is there?
Post by: pompeyboy on Monday 25 June 12 14:18 BST (UK)

I have a Eliza Smith born q4 1863 in Portsea who married a James Henry Hansler in q4 1883..that is no problem nor anything post these dates..it is Eliza's family pre her marriage that i am looking for..been through all available censuses ie 1841-1881 and can't find a sausage(then again not looking for a sausage ::))except maybe one family in the Scottish census..hoping a new pair of eyes will be able to help..would be much appreciated.

Regards

Steve

Title: Re: Eliza Smith (Hansler)nothing before 1863 or is there?
Post by: emarbe on Monday 25 June 12 14:39 BST (UK)

Hi Steve

Have you got any family first names as there are several possibles?.

Mike

Title: Re: Eliza Smith (Hansler)nothing before 1863 or is there?
Post by: pompeyboy on Monday 25 June 12 14:47 BST (UK)

Hiya Mike..aha thats the problem..got nothing that i know of for her family..the surname doesn't help does it ??? ::)

Steve

Title: Re: Eliza Smith (Hansler)nothing before 1863 or is there?
Post by: Seoras on Tuesday 26 June 12 01:23 BST (UK)

Hi pompeyboy,does the marriage give her father's name.I can see a christening for an Annie Eliza Smith,St.Mary's Portsea 24 July 1864,father James,mother Jane.

Title: Re: Eliza Smith (Hansler)nothing before 1863 or is there?
Post by: pompeyboy on Tuesday 26 June 12 14:37 BST (UK)

Seoras..no afraid it doesn't..got the marriage from the usual options..ie freebmd..A......y etc.....have checked Knightroots but couldnt find anything on there neither....short of a cert don't now where else to go..will check the '71 census again with your info just in case.

Regards

Steve

Title: Re: Eliza Smith (Hansler)nothing before 1863 or is there?
Post by: Seoras on Tuesday 26 June 12 14:55 BST (UK)

The family I mentioned are in Portsea 1871 with Annie Eliza enumerated as anne.That marriage cert may be your best option though.

Title: Re: Eliza Smith (Hansler)nothing before 1863 or is there?
Post by: pompeyboy on Tuesday 26 June 12 15:05 BST (UK)

Think you may be right there Seoras..many thanks.

Steve

Title: Re: Eliza Smith (Hansler)nothing before 1863 or is there?
Post by: Little Nell on Tuesday 26 June 12 21:19 BST (UK)

You seem very certain of Eliza's birth date - the last quarter of 1863.  If you don't have any official certificate, but are relying on census information, there may be the possibility or error.  :-\  Many Elizas were in fact Elizabeth and vice versa - they just love to make life difficult for us - and there are a number of Elizabeth Smiths, as well as Eliza Smiths (with a middle name) where the birth is registered in Portsea RD at around that time.

There are two possible brides for James Henry Hansler in 1883 - Eliza Smith and Eliza Ann Thomas.  Have you established that it was definitely Eliza Smith who married James Hansler? From a birth certificate of one of the children perhaps, since you don't have the marriage certificate?

An Eliza Ann Thomas was born in Portsea RD in the June qtr of 1862. 

I too think that the marriage certificate is the best option on this one.

Nell

Title: Re: Eliza Smith (Hansler)nothing before 1863 or is there?
Post by: pompeyboy on Wednesday 27 June 12 12:53 BST (UK)

Thank you Nell...some good points worthy of consideration...a cert on order by the look of it..thank you :)

Steve

Title: Re: Eliza Smith (Hansler)nothing before 1863 or is there?
Post by: pompeyboy on Wednesday 27 June 12 13:15 BST (UK)

There is one thing that could maybe help..in 1918 a Eliza Hansler died aged 55 in Portsea and her possible hubby a James Henry Hansler re married in 1927..just have to find out if a Eliza A Lewis? nee Thomas survived these dates..in these times of austerity one has to try everything before spending hard earned cash ::) :D

Steve

In 1911 there was a John James Lewis with a Eliza Ann Lewis living in Portsmouth with her age of 49..then a death for Eliza Ann Lewis in 1933 in Bristol age 70 ??? ???..possibilities....still trying not to spend ::) ;D

Title: Re: Eliza Smith (Hansler)nothing before 1863 or is there?
Post by: Little Nell on Wednesday 27 June 12 22:43 BST (UK)

I know we hate to spend, but the names Thomas, Smith, Lewis are all too common.  Either a birth certificate to establish which Eliza (less useful since you really want her father's name) or the marriage certificate which will give her father's name and possibly her age in years (rather than the ever helpful 'of full age'  ;D )

Nell

Title: Re: Eliza Smith (Hansler)nothing before 1863 or is there?
Post by: southcoast_novice on Sunday 29 July 12 12:35 BST (UK)

Hi Pompeyboy, I stumbled across this site via google. Apologies if this is bad etiquette but this is my first post, I see you have an interest in the Hanslers from Portsmouth. If there is anything specific you are looking for I may be able to help. And again I apologise if this isn't the way things are done on this site.

Title: Re: Eliza Smith (Hansler)nothing before 1863 or is there?
Post by: pompeyboy on Sunday 29 July 12 22:06 BST (UK)

Thats ok southcoast...i'm moving house tomorrow so will be off line for about a week..but pm me if you wish with anything you might think you'll be able to help with..i have quite a bit on the Hanslers myself..but as the saying goes every little helps.

Steve

Title: Re: Eliza Smith (Hansler)nothing before 1863 or is there?
Post by: southcoast_novice on Sunday 29 July 12 22:53 BST (UK)

OK, it appears I am unable to pm you due to insufficient posts, I'll keep an eye on this thread just in case I may be of help.

Title: Re: Eliza Smith (Hansler)nothing before 1863 or is there?
Post by: nestagj on Monday 30 July 12 11:14 BST (UK)

hello southcoast novice

one more post should do it for you ........I think you need three to pm people

Nesta

Title: Re: Eliza Smith (Hansler)nothing before 1863 or is there?
Post by: William L on Monday 30 July 12 16:43 BST (UK)

My great grandfather James Hustler Emmett married a Eliza Jane Smith who was born in Pudsey, Yorkshire, England born June 4th, 1846 is this any help Bill

Title: Re: Eliza Smith (Hansler)nothing before 1863 or is there?
Post by: southcoast_novice on Wednesday 15 August 12 05:15 BST (UK)

Hi nestagj

thanks for the info,