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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Surrey => Topic started by: aitchiva on Sunday 24 June 12 05:57 BST (UK)
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I am new to this, only joined yesterday, so not sure how to use this site. I am researching my gt gt gt grandparents, Sarah and James Priestley of Newington Surrey, have just got their mge cert in 1811 in St Marys Newington, Sarah was a Priestley before she married James Priestley, possibly born in Yorkshire. So I am at a stumbling block, how do I go back to find both the parents of this couple. Their details were not on the mge cert. There are many people with these names. James was born around 1791 and Sarah was born around 1788. I am descended from their daughter Maria Louisa b 1814 but would love to hear from descendants of their other 7-8 children. I am in Wellington, New Zealand and have most of the family tree done from their mge onwards.
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On the 1841 census HO107 piece 1064 book 3 folio 20 page 32
St Mary Newington Lambeth
James 50, tailor
Sarah 53 a monthly nurse.
Born in County? - NO for both of them. So neither born in Surrey
registration of birth, marriages and deaths didn't come in to effect until 1837 in UK so is it a parish record you have?
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thanks for this, but I knew that, found it yesterday in our local library. But dont know how to go backwards. I have their mge cert in 1811, but both had the name of Priestley. That was the bride's maiden name as well as her married name, Sarah was born around 1788 possibly in york, and james was born in 1791, when they say James, not born here, does that mean in that parish, or in the whole area of surrey? Thanks for your quick reply though. Is this a one-to-one thing or do my questions appear on a rootsweb chatroom. If its part of a chat room, how do I go and see if anyone else is researching this family? I just got the email from you in my email box and went reply. Thanks, Valerie in NZ
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yes, the mge I have is not an cert but is probably a parish record of the mge
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Hi Valerie
Any member of RootsChat can read your posts.
When it says not born in county it means the whole of the county. So both James and Sarah were born in another county.
Do you have them on the 1851 census because from 1851 onwards the place of birth was entered on the census. Were they still alive in 1851?
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thanks for that crisane, james died in 1849, sarah died in 1854, I did see her census in 1851 several years ago and she was a monthly nurse (a plunket nurse as we call it here). But I have lost it over the years. It did say the place which I think was in yorkshire. She was born in or around 1788 parents unknown. Do you do lookups for people. She lived in newington, lambeth, st peters area. Thanks if you can help me.
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St Peter Walworth burials
1849 Feb 18, James PRIESTLEY, Port Place, 58 years
1854 Jul 24, Sarah PRIESTLEY, Hill St, age 66
Ian C
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1851 HO107 piece 1567 folio 216 page 41
2 Appleton Place Sta mary's newington Surrey
Sarah Preistley (spelling on census) 62 monthly nurse born Clayton Yorkshire
There are many knowledgeable people on RootsChat who will do lookups for others just as we have on this post of yours.
Different people have access to different records.
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thanks for finding out that, how did you find it so quick, do you have your own set of census records. Was there other people at that address on census, e.g. children etc. Also when you send me a reply I get it addressed to my email add which is fine, but how do I find the main page where everyones messages are on it for the priestley family? I didnt bookmark the site.
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There were other people but not as part of Sarah Priestley's family. She was on her own.
There are many free sites for genealogy and a good place to start finding these is at
http://www.cyndislist.com/
For BMD in England and Wales FreeBMD.
For parish records worldwide familysearch.org plus the 1881 census.
Freecen http://www.freecen.org.uk/
and freeReg http://www.freereg.org.uk/
Then there is the National Archives.
ancestry offer a 2 week free trial but if you decide to take advantage of this make sure you cancel a view days before the time is up or they will automatically charge you for a 12 month subscription. Also if you do decide to take out a sub on ancestry make sure you do it through ancestry.uk It is a lot cheaper.
I don't know if FindMyPast is still offering a free two week trial.
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There are 2 or 3 Baptisms on familysearch.org but this one took place closest to Clayton which is where Sarah in the 1851 census says she was born.
Sarah Priestley
Baptism 14 Jan 1787
at Wibsey, York, England
Father Jonathan Priestley
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Christenings with parents James and Sarah Priestley
Benjamin Priestley
birth 23 Sep 1827
christening 25 Nov 1827 ST Peter,Walworth,Surrey
Thomas James Priestley
birth 11 Jun 1825
christening 30 Oct 1825 ST Peter,Walworth
Jonathan Priestley
birth 20 Mar 1823
christening 20 Jul 1823 ST Mary, Newington Surrey
Hannah Priestley
birth 11 Jan 1818
christening 1 Mar 1818 ST Mary Newington Surrey
parents James Priestley, Sarah
Amelia Priestley
birth 7 Jan 1821
christening 12 Aug 1821 ST Mary, Newington surrey
Maria Louisa Priestley
birth 24 Sep 1814
christening 23 Oct 1814 ST Mary newington
Sarah Priesley
birth 19 Mar 1816
christening 12 May 1816 ST Mary,Newington
So was Jonathon their son named after Sarah's father? Does this strengthen the case for the christening I found being your Sarah
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thank you crisane, yes all the children I knew about, thanks so much for looking, the census was very helpful as was the birth you found for sarah, she had a son jonathan and thats not that common a name so that entry for sarah with the father of jonathan is highly likely. Thank you for doing that. Benjamin and johnathan died as babies. How would go about looking for the birth of the husband, James Priestley, all I know is that he was born around 1791. Its hard being far off in NZ not knowing where the places are. I know counties in england but towns dont mean a thing, as I dont know where they are located. where is beds or bedfordshire in relation to newington or london?
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crisane, that Maria Louisa you found, is my great great grandmother, she married in newington and her and her husband brought their family out to brisbane australia in 1861, their daughter mary (my gt grandmother) married and they settled in nz, there was also an elder sister Nancy b and christened around 1812, what part of england do you come from, thanks
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Hi aitchiva
Your ancestors are like my family. I was born in Bolton Lancashire, went to Wanganui NZ, married an Aussie there and have lived in NSW for soooooo many years. All my family, including son, live in NZ.
You have the date for the marriage of James and Sarah Priestley. Where did you get these details? If it is from
family search.org then your nearest centre should be able to order in the film for you. It may give more details than you already have.
This will take you to genuki, another genealogical site, and the map of English counties in the 1800's. http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/Britain.html
I use google maps to work out distances between towns and in which county they fall. Although you have to be careful because boundaries have been changed over the years. Using google maps and using the find directions box top left, I found that the town of Bedford is approximately 106 miles from Newington.
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hi
I am valerie aitchison and live in wellington, I know wanganui well. Sarah and James' two eldest daughters were Nancy b1812 and Maria b1814, I found two mges one in 1811 for a james priestley and sarah priestley, and one in 1814 for a james priestley and sarah stead, the last couple were married in bradford but the first couple, both priestleys were married in st marys newington which was where the children were all christened. so that would be the right one. the census for sarah in 1851 said she was born in clayton and the wibsey you found is pretty close and with the names of jonathan for both her father and son all tie in. our local library in porirua has a genealogy section manned by volunteers. A genealist there found the 1811 mge on line thru their resources and printed out a photocopy (parish record) of the actual mge for 10 cents. I cldnt believe it. Just have to find James birth now. Will get the genealogy lady to print out a copy of the birth of sarah next weekend. so exciting. Regards Valerie
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Below is the address of the LDS family search centre in Wellington
FamilySearch offers public access to genealogical records from all over the world. Salt Lake City is the biggest and there are others in over 80 countries.
140 Moxham Ave, Hataitai
Hours Tues 6.30pm-9pm;
Fri 10am-1pm;
Sat 9am-noon
Does the photocopy of the parish register entry the librarian got for you show any film numbers?
I would visit Haitaitaicentre and see if they can help.
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the porirua library is a great place, its closer than hataitai, and I can get the actual photocopy of the parish record for 10 cents, I think the morman one in hataitai you have to pay so much per visit per day.
for the birth you found, I will for sure get the both parents, I have johnathan as the dad so it will show the mum as well, all for 10 cents. wonderful value. Thanks for suggesting hataitai though, I really appreciate all the trouble you have gone to. Is there census at that time for wibsey where I may find the family of sarah.
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I use google maps to work out distances between towns and in which county they fall. Although you have to be careful because boundaries have been changed over the years. Using google maps and using the find directions box top left, I found that the town of Bedford is approximately 106 miles from Newington.
106 miles??? Not sure which route you found but it's taken an enormous dog's leg! 54 miles is the shortest route from Newington to Bedford (the town, not the county).
David