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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Topic started by: suds on Tuesday 19 June 12 16:36 BST (UK)
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Hello
I'm hoping a kind person out there can help us.
We have a census record on Ancestry but feel it may have been mistranscribed, so want to look at the original image. We have been unable to find it on Scotland's people. After wasting several credits looking for the name, which could have been mistranscribed, we decided to try the GROS number in the advanced section. Alas, we can't make it work either.
The numbers we available are as follows:
Registration number: 644/3
ED: 28
Household schedule number: 26
Line: 23
Roll: CSSCT1861_100
How do we assemble them into a number that Scotland's People GROS search will recognise.
Many thanks in advance.
Regards
Suds
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Hello Suds,
what was the name in Ancestry, and the census year?
Regards,
John
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Hello John
Thanks for your response.
1861 census.
In Ancestry the name is Mrs John Ballantyne.
regards
Suds
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Hello Suds,
the image does read Mrs John Ballantyne but has been indexed without a forename. To find it, enter only the following on the 1861 census form:
Surname Ballantyne
Age range 32 to 32
County Glasgow City
District Bridgeton
This will return only one result, which is your person. Unfortunately, the family crosses pages with the youngest on the second page.
Regards,
John
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Gross Data :- 644/03 028/00 005
Regards
Malky
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John
Thanks for that. I found it by your method. We kept putting Lanarkshire in as the county. We hadn't sussed the Glasgow City reference. Many thanks.
Malky
Thanks for the reference, but it doesn't work. The space in Scotland's People seems to allow for 15 characters and the reference you give is more than 15.
I'd still be interested to know how to come up with a reference that works.
Regards
Suds
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That is SP gross data number from SP's page
Regards
Malky
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Malky
It's quite likely that I'm doing something wrong.
From the front page of Scotland's People I'm clicking on the 1861 census records.
I don't enter anything on this page but press the button marked "show advanced"
On the page that comes up there is a box marked "GROS data:"
I'm assuming that the box is to enter some information that the GROS would recognise. It won't allow me to put in the reference you supplied.
Since I had the ancestry page I assumed that the data would be there. As I said I'm quite likely to have misunderstood what I am trying to do or what is possible and any enlightenment would be gratefully received.
Regards
Suds
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Suds
I have been trying to find something I read sometime ago and failing!
As you have experienced, the Ancestry Scottish census refs and those used by the GROS/SP are not an exact match unfortunately. Nothing you are missing or doing wrong.
Unlike with the English a/try refs where you can insert them onto a/try to find an exact page, you can't do the same with a/try and SP.
With the advanced search field for the GROS ref on the SP search screen, they really do mean the GROS ref only :-\
Did you look at the entry that John mentioned earlier? What was the GROS ref for it if you did look at it?
Monica
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Monica
We did find it by John's method, so it is out of interest for future occasions that I would like to know.
The GROS reference is given as 644/03 028/00 005 - as supplied by Malky
Unfortunately, as stated, that reference doesn't work.
I live in hope that someone will explain.
Regards
Suds
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I e-mailed Scotland's People and was given the following reply.
Thank you for your query.
We are aware that the search area will only permit 14 characters. This is something which we are planning to resolve in the next site launch however we have no planned date for that at the moment I am afraid.
Kind Regards,
Alison Hannan, Team Leader
Scotlands People Support Team
Regards
Malky
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Malky
Well that answers the question. i was trying something that wasn't possible.
Many thanks for going to the trouble of finding out.
It's much appreciated.
Regards
Suds
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The GROS reference is given as 644/03 028/00 005 - as supplied by Malky
I live in hope that someone will explain.
Every district is assigned a number, but unfortunately due to changing demographics these did not remain constant over time.
In this case
644 tells me that it is in Glasgow
03 tells me that it is a sub-district of Glasgow. I checked the list of districts and sub-districts at http://www.gro-scotland.gov.uk/famrec/list-of-parishes-registration-districts.html and in 1861 District 644, subdistrict 3 was Glasgow Bridgeton
028 tells that this entry appears in Enumeration District (ED) No 28
00 tells me that all the entries in ED No 28 are in one book - there weren't so many people that a second book was needed
005 tells me that the entry appears on Page 5
In the original number quoted in the first post
644/3 tells me that the listing is in sub-district no 3 of Glasgow (Glasgow Bridgeton, as above)
28 tells me that this entry appears in Enumeration District No 28
26 tells me that this household was the 26th household listed in ED No 28
Line 23 tells me that it was on Line 23 of the page
CSSCT1861_100 tells me nothing at all, except to confirm that the year is 1861 ( I presume that CS is short for Census and SCT for Scotland, but 100 is meaningless to me)
Therefore the GROS reference enables me to go straight to the right page and run my eye down the two dozen or so names listed on it. The A******y reference would allow me to go to the right ED (no 28) and I would then have to scroll through the pages until I get to Household No 26.
I do not know why A*****y should have chosen to list the Schedule and Line numbers rather than the page number, which I think is the more obvious way to find the record.
Does this help?
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Forfarian
Thanks for your response.
It doesn't help insofar as putting a GROS reference into Scotland's People is concerned. That appears to be not possible (see above).
However, the information you provide is really interesting. I have not seen the logic of the system set out before. I'm sure that I will refer to it quite a bit from now on.
Many thanks for taking the trouble to respond.
Regards
Suds