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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Aberdeenshire => Topic started by: Countryquine on Monday 18 June 12 21:15 BST (UK)
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Just wondered if anyone is researching Finnies who came from Inverkeithney and ended up around Belhelvie? My great great grandmother was Barbara Shearer (of Forgue), who married John Finnie of Inverkeithney. Barbara died around 1912, I think, and is buried in the Old Churchyard of Belhelvie. I have quite a lot of information on their children but would be interested to hear from someone who was also researching.
Thanks to all who replied re this posting. Although I am claiming Barbara as my great great grandmother, my great grandfather was actually her illegitimate child, born in 1855, some six years before she married John. It was so interesting to find out that my great grandfather had a whole family of stepbrothers and sisters, as I had always believed him to be an only child with no other family. He must have maintained a strong relationship with them, as he had one as witness at his marriage, and also gave my grandfather Finnie as a middle name. I know there is an old family photo about somewhere of an older couple, which belonged to my great grandfather and I have always wondered if they were Barbara and John.
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Hello, Countryquine: I am researching the Finnie family, as my paternal grandmother was John's first cousin. She was Elizabeth, daughter of Francis Finnie and Jane Hay. Francis was brother to John Finnie.
Jean Buchan Doherty
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I am aware of an Anne Lawson Finnie who was baptised in Inverkeithney on 2 May 1846. She married my g grandfather's brother Peter Rae on 17 Jul 1875 in Inverkeithney. Her parents were Francis Finnie and Jean Hay. Anne died on 18 Oct 1933 in Alvah and is buried in the local graveyard.
Anne had a brother John who was baptised in Inverkeithney in Mar 1844. Is this the same John Finnie who married Barbara Shearer?
Colincam
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Although I have the date of marriage as Dec 9, 1875, all the other information you give matches mine. They had 7 children, Jane, Francis George, Joh, Peter, William, Alexander and Robert.
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Just reread my previous reply. The children mentioned were those of Ann and Peter Rae. John and Barbara had only 6 kids, Francis, James, Jane, Alexander, Margaret and George. Francis and Jane or Jean had 12 kids. My great-grandfather was the oldest, James.. John was the 3rd child and Ann was the 4th.
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Hi Lakeview
You are right; the date of Anne & Peter's marriage was 9th Dec 1875 not as I stated earlier.
Do you have dates of birth for all of Peter & Anne's children that you could send me?
colincam
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Sure can. I could send you a GEDCOM file of all my Finnie family info. if you want. If you send me a PM (personal message) with your email address, I will attach the file to my reply.
Jean
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Thanks for the offer but I only really need details of Anne & Peter's children. They would be my g grandfather's nephews and nieces which is the normal limit of my family tree.
Thanks
colincam
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OK, here you go.
Children of Ann Finnie and Peter Rae were as follows:
+ 2 i Jane Rae, born 25 Nov 1876 in Barbit Hill, Alvah, Banffshire, Scotland; died 1965 in Chalmers Hospital, Banff, Scotland. She married (1) William McLeod; (2) unknown. 3 ii Francis George2 Rae, born 20 Jul 1878 in Barbit Hill, Alvah, Banffshire, Scotland.
4 iii John Rae, born 20 Jul 1878 in Barbit Hill, Alvah, Banffshire, Scotland.
5 iv Peter Rae, born 10 Dec 1883 in Barbit Hill, Alvah, Banffshire, Scotland.
6 v William Rae, born 18 Feb 1887 in Barbit Hill, Alvah, Banffshire, Scotland.
7 vi Alexander Rae, born 28 Jan 1890 in Barbit Hill, Alvah, Banffshire, Scotland.
8 vii Robert Rae, born 28 Jan 1890 in Barbit Hill, Alvah, Banffshire, Scotland; died 31 Jan 1890 in Barbit Hill, Alvah, Banffshire, Scotland.
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"Just wondered if anyone is researching Finnies who came from Inverkeithney and ended up around Belhelvie? My great great grandmother was Barbara Shearer (of Forgue), who married John Finnie of Inverkeithney (Died 3 Feb 1899 ) Barbara died ( 28 Nov 1913 ) around 1912, I think, and is buried ( under stone 42 )in the Old Churchyard of Belhelvie. I have quite a lot of information on their children but would be interested to hear from someone who was also researching."
Regards
Malky
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Hi Lakeview
Thanks for the dob's. I really appreciate it.
The Rae family lived at Barbethill for many many years. In fact Peter's father lived there all his life which lasted for 80 years!!!
I don't know much about the Finnie family.
Kindest regards
colincam
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Hi Lakeview
I thank you again for the dob's you sent me. However I noted that the dob for Peter Rae that you gave me is at odds with the 1881 Census where a Peter Rae appears as a 6 month old child. Perhaps the Peter Rae in the Census died as a baby and another child born in 1883 was named Peter. Can you enlighten me?
Regards
colincam
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No, sorry I am not aware of an earlier birthdate for Peter Rae Jr. I also note that my information points to two sets of twins, Francis and John in 1878 and Alexander and Robert in 1890. I haven't really investigated whether or not these dates are absolutely right but that may be a challenge for me on the next rainy day. Let me know if you find anything out about this family. Poor Ann, if she did carry twins twice.
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Hi Lakeview
I think we need to check these dates.
I know someone who is descended directly from Peter & Anne so I think I will check them with her.
Regards
colincam
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Hi Lakeview
I have spoken to my contact and she confims that all the dates are correct apart Peter Rae who was born on 28 Sept 1883 and died on 7th March 1960 from injuries received in a car accident.
However there was also another son James Rae who was born on 10 December 1880... No date of death as yet.
I would still recommend that we check the dates
Regards
colincam
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I just checked the 1881 and 1891 Scotland census, as well as births in Scotlands People for James and Peter Jr. James was born 10Dec1883 and Peter 28Sep1880. Robert Rae DOB 1890 died at 3 days of age. I didn't look at the certificate of death, but as he was a twin and a neonate, he was high risk. There actually were 2 sets of twins, the first I have come across in my family tree.
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John Finnie was one of the ten children of Francis Finnie and Jane Hay, so you should find a large number of kin in the North East of Scotland. My direct ancester in that family is James Finnie. The Deys are also prolific and my greatmother Finnie also married a Dey. John Finnie was born 1844, Barbara Shearer in 1836. They married 1864
I can now post a reply to your note!
:)
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James is my direct descendant too! He was my great-grandfather in fact. My grandmother was his daughter Elizabeth. I know his daughter, Jane Ann married a Charles Dey. I have been spending quite a bit of time researching their family over the last few days. I am also very interested in James' children who emigrated to Canada, as my father spent some years with them in Saskatchewan and Manitoba. We should compare notes. Love to hear from you.
Jean
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Hi Tiv
I only have 7 or 8 children for Francis Finnie & Jane Hay namely William b 1837, James b 1840, John b 1844, Anne b 1846, Mary &/or Margaret b 1856, Peter b 1858 & Robert b 1861. You say they had 10 children. Can you tell who the others were and when they were born etc?
For your information my great grandfather's brother (Peter Rae) married Anne in 1875.
Regards
colincam
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I am aware of an Anne Lawson Finnie who was baptised in Inverkeithney on 2 May 1846. She married my g grandfather's brother Peter Rae on 17 Jul 1875 in Inverkeithney. Her parents were Francis Finnie and Jean Hay. Anne died on 18 Oct 1933 in Alvah and is buried in the local graveyard.
Anne had a brother John who was baptised in Inverkeithney in Mar 1844. Is this the same John Finnie who married Barbara Shearer?
Thanks - yes, I think this would be the same John Finnie, as he married Barbara in 1864 at age 20.
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Hi Tiv
I only have 7 or 8 children for Francis Finnie & Jane Hay namely William b 1837, James b 1840, John b 1844, Anne b 1846, Mary &/or Margaret b 1856, Peter b 1858 & Robert b 1861. You say they had 10 children. Can you tell who the others were and when they were born etc?
For your information my great grandfather's brother (Peter Rae) married Anne in 1875.
Regards
colincam
My information comes from censuses so dates are approximate - lakeview has 12 children and I notice that William doesn't appear in the 1851 census; he'd be working by then so I didn't pick him up. I don't have Robert either, so I'll have to tidy up my tree!
Children of FRANCIS FINNIE and JANE HAY are:
i. JAMES FINNIE, b. 24 Mar 1840, Inverkeithnie; d. 10 Jan 1927, Gullymill Street, Macduff.
ii. FRANCIS FINNIE, b. Abt. 1842, Inverkeithnie.
iii. JOHN FINNIE, b. 3 Mar 1844, Inverkeithnie; m. BARBARA SHEARER, 6 Aug 1864, Church of Forgue; b. 2 Oct 1836, Drumblade.
iv. ANN FINNIE, b. Abt. 1847, Inverkeithnie.
v. ALEXANDER FINNIE, b. Abt. 1849, Inverkeithnie.
vi. PETER FINNIE, b. Abt. 1851, Inverkeithnie.
vii. JANE FINNIE, b. Abt. 1853, Inverkeithney.
viii. GEORGE FINNIE, b. Abt. 1854, Inverkeithney.
ix. MARGARET FINNIE, b. Abt. 1857, Inverkeithney; d. 10 Jan 1935, 11 Paterson Street, Macduff; m. PETER RIDDELL.
x. PETER FINNIE, b. Abt. 1859, Inverkeithney.
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Hi Tiv
Thanks for the information below. I now have 13 children to Francis & Jean Finnie. This is because Family Search gives a Margaret Finnie and a Mary Finnie with the same date of birth namely 4 Jun 1856. Do you know if they were the same person or twins?
For your information Robert Finnie was born on 9 Jul 1861 after the 1861 Census which might explain why you don't have him.
Your list of the children refers to someone being born in Drumblade on 2 Oct 1836. Is this just a typographic error?
Kindest regards
colincam
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Hi colincam
I have 13 too - Margaret and Mary were twins, and Mary Finnie "died suddenly No medical attendant" on 30 June 1856. I have two Peters, the first, for whom I can find no baptism, is on the 1851 census (2nd page) at ?months of age, and he may have died as Mary did? Another Peter appears on the 1861 census, aged 2 years. I can't find a baptism for Francis but his birth year is confirmed by his death in Sept 1924, aged 82, and first marriage at 1862, aged 20. Fun, isn't it!
:)
PS - just noted your request - the birth in Drumblade is of Brenda Shearer who married John Finnie in 1864. The layout comes from a genealogy report in my tree.
Tiv
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Hi Tiv again
Thanks for clearing my queries up.
I note from your PS that the Barbara Shearer you have is 7 years older than her husband, John Finnie. Are you sure this is correct? Do you have a copy of their marriage record?
colincam
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Marriage record gives the names of the parents of both parties. The ages are given as 20 for John Finnie and 25 for Barbara Shearer. Note, however, that Barbara was illiterate - her "mark" was witnessed rather than her signature, and it likely that she did not have a clear idea of her date of birth (or she preferred as many of us do, not to admit our ages). Unless 2 Barbaras were born to William Shearer and Jane Adam, however, the date is correct. See Scotlandspeople (ppv) for both marriage and baptism records.
Tiv
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Excellent
Btw I have found William Finnie aged 14 living as a servant to a farmer in Fyvie, Aberdeenshire in 1851 Census.
colincam
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I have Barbara's birthdate as 13Sept1836. Don't be too hasty in thinking wives are always younger than their husbands. In our family tree there are many instances. In my immediate family of the 4 girls, 3 of us are married to younger men!! They last longer that way. ;D
Happy Hogmanay to you all.
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Marriage record gives the names of the parents of both parties. The ages are given as 20 for John Finnie and 25 for Barbara Shearer. Note, however, that Barbara was illiterate - her "mark" was witnessed rather than her signature, and it likely that she did not have a clear idea of her date of birth (or she preferred as many of us do, not to admit our ages). Unless 2 Barbaras were born to William Shearer and Jane Adam, however, the date is correct. See Scotlandspeople (ppv) for both marriage and baptism records.
Tiv
Hi
I would agree that Barbara (my great greatgrandmother) was indeed several years older than John. I have both their death certificates - John died at age 55 in 1899, and Barbara at age 77 in 1913. Census records also reflect this age difference. On John's death certificate, it gives his parents as Francis, farm overseer, and Jane (Hay), deceased, so it would seem that Francis outlived his son. I know Barbara had my great grandfather illegitimately in 1855. There is also a William Mathieson, aged 12, who appears on the 1871 census as W Son, as opposed to Son, against Francis, aged 6. I suspect William may also be an illegimate son of Barbara - I have seen his name elsewhere in a census record, and I think he was living with Barbara's mother. If any of these census records or death certificates are of interest please let me know.