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Trying to trace any details regarding my 3x Great Grandad/mother. What I have gathered is Robert Austen bc 1791 and possibly died Jan/Feb/Mar 1850 St.George Hanover Square, appears in 1841 census as living in St.George the Martyr Southwark, Surrey, the maiden name of his wife (my 3xgreat granmother) was Mallars (first names unknown, their son was William Mallars Fritz Austen b.1829 in Lambeth who married 17Aug1869 Sarah Jane Biggs (maiden name of Blake) - on their wedding certificate Robert was list as a Solicitor and deceased. I don't know if William had any brothers or sisters either.
Any information that can possibly add to any of the above would be greatly appreciated.
Mike
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Welcome to Rootchat.
I`ve tried looking at old newspapers for anything on Robert Austen a solicitor with no results.
I can see that the 1841 census you have has Robert Austen 50 a carver and gilder, not born in county
Elizabeth 30 N and Elizabeth 11 Y ( born in county)
What was Williams occupation, if this Robert is his father , then William was out working at an early age.
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William Mallars Fritz Austen
I can find no one with this name in any census, do you have him at all. ???
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Many thanks for looking, thinking I maybe on the wrong track with the 1841 census, sorry.
William - In Aug 1869 lived at 52 Mansell Street, Whitechapel, Middlesex and worked as a Railway Porter (when he got married). In Nov 1869 lived at 16 Regent Street South, Mile End Old Town, London, Middlesex and worked as a Porter. In 1871 Census lived at 16 Regent Street South, Mile End Old Town, London, Middlesex and worked as a Railway Porter. I have nothing earlier that maybe of use or give a clue.
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Further with regards William - In 1871 Census lived at 16 Regent Street South, Mile End Old Town, London, Middlesex and worked as a Railway Porter. In 1881 Census lived at 10 Salmen Street, Mile End Old Town, London and worked as a Railway Servant Goods Dept. In 1891 Census lived at 43 Durrington Road, Hackney, Lambeth, London and worked as a Porter. In Oct 1894 worked as an Engineer. (Possibly in 1901 Census lived at Sidney Road, Homerton NE, London and listed as a Pauper (Married & Retired Railway Porter) as William Austin aged 71)?
Registered as Married in Whitechapel, Middlesex District in July/Aug/Sep 1869 (Vol.1c Page 778). He (and Sarah Jane Blake/Biggs married on 17 Aug 1869. I have a copy of their marriage certificate with Wiliams father mentioned as Robert Austen (but could have been entered as Austin as sloppy writing) as Solicitor deceased.
Sorry, not much at all to go on.
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Hello,
where is the full name of William recorded? I see there is an aunt Hannah with him in 1871 and there are some records for her. Her parents seem to be George Mallars and Mary Stagg according to Family Search.
heywood
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There is a baptism on FS
William Mallars Fitzaustin -1835 - parents Daniel Fitzaustin and Caroline.
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Thank you for the Fitzaustin theory as a possiblity as would make sence with the two Williams having Fritz but these appear in the first names columns on their respective marriage certificates and on the elder William having his father listed as just Robert Austen (might be Austin) with no middle name (Fritz or otherwise). Both previous mentioned marriage certificates had been signed (no X marks the spot) therefore I can only presume the names were entered correctly or they will have corrected them. The name of Fritz has not appeared again in any of the known family lines after the two Williams (todate).
Appreciated is the enlightenment of George Mallars and Mary Stagg, but was there any mention of a sister for Hannah (Williams Aunt), whom would then be married to Robert and therefore mother to the eldest William.
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Caroline MALLAR was Christened 16 July 1809, Saint Mary, Lambeth, Surrey
Parents GEORGE/MARY
HANNAH 09 Sept 1804
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Thank you very much with regards Caroline - I see they missed the "s" on the end of surname just to try and confuse the issue further. If official reports were without fails it might not be as interesting. Thanks again.
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I should have done a Mallars Lambeth web search before now!!
I've been tackling this one from the point of view of trying to prove William Edward AUSTIN born Bow, London 8 Nov 1869 (1939 Register) who married Alice Maud CARTER * was one and the same person as the William Edward Sinclair Fitz AUSTEN whose birth was registered Mile End Old Town in 1869.
There's a separate thread about this here on RootsChat,
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=808750.msg6698851#msg6698851
refers.
* 27 Oct 1894 Haggerston cert. shows William Edward as 24 clerk resid. 70 Middleton Rd, s/o William AUSTIN, engineer; Alice Maud as 21 resid. 14 a Gealand Rd, Dalston, d/o John CARTER, fish salesman; Both signed; Wit.: James Arthur BIRCH, Ellen BEER
I convinced myself they were indeed one and the same person given the birth cert. of said William Edward Sinclair Fitz AUSTEN showed he was born 8 Nov 1869.
The 8 Nov 1869 birth cert. shows he was born 3pm to William Mallars Fitz AUSTEN, porter, and Sarah Jane BIGGS formerly BLAKE. Informant mother S J AUSTEN, same address, registered 20th Dec
Sarah I've followed around a bit and updated the FamilySearch tree for.
But the wonderfully names William Mallars Fitz AUSTEN remains elusive prior to the above 1869 birth of son (twin of Ada)
And his occupation of railway porter does rather vary from "engineer".
I'll now go back and reread the entire thread but am rather excited to find this thread given the DNA matches myself, two maternal aunts and several cousins have to a descendant of William Edward married to Alice CARTER.
A descendant of Sarah's, from either of her partners, may show up as a DNA match on MyHeritage (also on GEDMatch) to my match, depending on how many generations down to present day we are talking about here.
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There is a baptism on FS
William Mallars Fitzaustin -1835 - parents Daniel Fitzaustin and Caroline.
If that is a late baptism, that would be of high interest to me as a possibility.
The presence of Fitz as Mikehere states may well be showing in the firstname fields BUT
Fitz has a definition in names as
"Fitz is a prefix in patronymic surnames of Anglo-Norman origin. This usage derives from the Norman fiz / filz, pronunciation: /fits/ (cognate with French fils < Latin filius), meaning "son of"..."
(Mikehere, I interpret the 1869 birth cert. name as Fitz, not Fritz, although I've no other Fs on the page to compare the "r" you have looks like an extension of the letter F to me)
The William Mallars Fitz Austen I've been following appears to have been born around 1829, Lambeth (1871/1881 census at least)
I have a theory about the DNA match I mention in my earlier post.
Fascinated to see if can prove this particular if his mother was indeed Caroline.
I am hoping, against hope possibly, that this William might be my missing in action 2*great grandfather, and Caroline turns up as my great grandmother's first name.
Her full name being Caroline Emma Austin / Austen
where Emma is from her mother's side.
So far working on the DNA matches for this particular match we do already know that it is from one of her paternal ancestors (which includes the AUSTINs) and is looking unlikely to be from her paternal grandfather's ancestry - which is a good thing.
Work continues on seeing if DNA can work its' magic.
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Baptism does not show a birthdate
January 11th 1835 St Mary, Lambeth
William Mallars, son of Daniel and Caroline Fitzaustin address New Cut
Father’s occupation Labourer
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Let's continue any further work over in the other thread rather than duplicate new findings here
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=808750.msg6698976#msg6698976
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I think that’s best for your enquiry. It does cause problems sometimes - the repetition of information.