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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Sussex => Topic started by: llij on Monday 18 June 12 11:03 BST (UK)
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Hello,
Hoping to obtain some information on a THOMAS ROBINSON born abt. 1781, although I haven't found his baptism. He was a Blacksmith in Lewes, Sussex in and around 1805. His children were born there.
He was later described as a Whitesmith and also as a Smith. He may have died in Brighton in 1833.
Kind regards
Jill
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Hi Jill, I have just looked on the SFHG site and found a baptism for a Thomas Robinson. The one I found was baptised in Lewes on 10/12/1781. His parents were William and Jane. I hope this is of help. Poppyann
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Hello Poppyann,
Thanks for that. I now realise that I did have his baptism record, and yes, his parents were William and Jane.
I'm just hoping to find more evidence of his occupation and a definite death for him.
Thanks again,
Jill
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Hi Jill
A possibility, if you think he died in Brighton...
A Popular BI:
15 Nov 1830 Thomas Robinson aged 51, Brighton, St Nicholas, bur.
Poppyann's baptism confirmation would make him about 49y, however, his birth date could be 1779/80...
Geoff
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The Thomas Robinson who died in Brighton in 1830, died at Kings Place. (Transcribed as Kings Palace). It may be worth your while to check out Kings Place in an early street directory or rate book to see if there was once a smithy there.
I can also see there was a George (b 1813 of Mulberry Square) and an Adam and Susanna (b 1820 of Thomas Street) all children of the blacksmith / smith Thomas & Mary Robinson. There were earlier children (Matilda 1808 & Priscilla bapt 1811) but on those records Thomas' occupation is not stated, Would any of these be part of the same family? Roy G
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Thanks Roy ...I'll take a look at those.
Kind regards
Jill
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Hi,
I have had a look at some poll books for Lewes in 1812/1826 and find a Thomas Robinson - Bargeman from Lewes All Saints.
There is no sign of a Thomas Robinson in Pigots 1823-24 Directory for Lewes & Brighton under Smith or Whitesmith.
Not much help I am afraid.
Regards
Sean
Edit: Have looked at some family trees on Ancestry and they seem equally confused as to whether Thomas was a Smith or a Bargemaster.
Sometimes children inflated their fathers occupation on a marriage cert to make them look better.
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We probably need a little more info on your sources lliJ. You say he was in Lewes c 1800, and may have died Brighton c1833.
Have you got:
[1] Who he married in Lewes and when?
[2] Which of his children were born in Lewes & when?
[3] The names of any children who were born in Brighton (and when) or the source that led you believe he ended up in Brighton.
e.g. Did a child of his born in Lewes marry in Brighton or did any child carry on working as a smith elsewhere?
Roy G
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Looking at the SMI entry for the marriage of William and Jane (Supposedly Thomas's parents) the occupation of William Robinson is down as a Bargeman.
There are baptisms for children of Thomas and Ann: Daniel, Vinney and an unamed person in Lewes in 1814 which state that Thomas is a bargemaster.
There appears to be another couple Thomas & Mary Robinson who also had children baptised in Lewes a little bit earlier, but he doesn't give an occupation.
Just found baptisms in Brighton to Thomas & Mary (they must/could have moved there) which state that Thomas is a blacksmith (On the baptism for George in 1813).
So it is possible that these families could easily be mixed up as it looks they might have been on Ancestry.
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Hello Jill
Hope this will help
From the SMI
Married at Brighton 1 July 1805
Thomas Robinson & Mary Richards
Mary, SP, of the same Parish,Thomas, Bach, from Lewis St John
Kind Regards
omega
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I have to add the following found on the Blacksmiths list, even though it might confuse you even further.
There was another Blacksmith in Brighton called Thomas Robinson, so some of the local children baptised to Thomas Robinson 'a blacksmith,' might be his.
The Blacksmiths website http://blacksmiths.mygenwebs.com/index.php lists the following (in Yorkshire):
Thomas Robert Robinson, blacksmith. Born about 1787 in Lazenby, Yorkshire. Robert became a blacksmith in Skelton-in-Cleveland during 1820's & 1830's. His son, Thomas Robinson blacksmith, born 1811 Brighton, Sussex, married Elizabeth Saunders 1834 in Skelton.
Children: Jane born 1836, Skelton; Thomas (Jnr) born 1839, Skelton; Ann born 1842 Skelton; Hannah born 1843, Skelton. Thomas (Jnr) and Ann both died in infancy. Thomas died in 1877 and Elizabeth in 1885 and are both buried in the old All Saints churchyard, Skelton.
Roy G
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Looking at that baptism for Thomas Robinson 8 Dec 1811 St Nicholas Brighton it can be seen that Robert Robinson was part of the North Yorkshire Militia.
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Thanks for the information. I'm away from most of my information at the moment, so will investigate when I return.
Many thanks
Jill
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Firstly ... apologies for not getting back to this board about the previous message. I got a bit sidetracked with another branch of my family and then forgot!
I have resumed my quest once again to establish the correct line of Thomas Robinson (who married Mary Ann Richards). I now think he was the one born 2 Jan 1783 to William and Susanna Fox.
He may have been one of the Quaker family who were in Charlwood but had originally came from Yorkshire at the time of George Fox (possibly when William Penn was in Lewes). I understand that many Quakers were Blacksmiths by trade.
His daughter Mary Ann ( born in 1806) was married in 1827 to George Henry Wiseman, it seems both in Lewes and in St Peters Brighton. I've also read that childrens baptisms often took place in a totally different place (often County) from their birth. I believe this happened in non conformist situations at that time.
I do remember seeing their marriage record at the Lewes Record Office many years ago but no longer have the record.
So, hopefully someone may kindly be able to offer I a little more advice?
Many thanks
Jill