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I'm looking for marriages of members of the Dalby family of Howden, all pre-1837, but I've drawn a blank on the IGI database for all but the last one. Some of course may have died in childhood and others may not have married, or married outside Howden - but SOME of them must have married in Howden!
Looking for the following (all children of David Dalby and Elizabeth Cade):-
1. Ann b1766 (poss. found this one =Joseph Stonehouse, Howden, 1798)
2. Jonathan b1768
3. David b1769
4. Hannah b1771
5. Augustus b1779
6. Joseph b1780
7. Simeon b1781
8. Octavius b1784 (from other sources, married Hannah Dobson, though details not known)
9. Henrietta b1787 (IGI gives Harriet married William Birks in 1816)
If anyone has indexed or searchable marriage records, assistance would be very welcome ! From other information we believe that at least two of the spouses might have had surnames Watson and Boniston. Unfortunately with births spread over 20 years, potential marriages could be spread over an even longer period so I understand such a search isn't practical without a database in digital form!
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Sorry we haven't been able to help you so far on this one.
Have you made any progress, or do you have any further details that could help someone to find what you are looking for?
Look forward to hearing from you.
Best wishes
Ticker
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Hi Ticker - little further info, and not much progress on this one. I have found some tentative links with Dalbys in Gloucestershire, but nothing conclusive.
One success is that I have found Augustus - he became a Master in the Royal Navy and then married Martha Bennett in Saltash, after a move to Cornwall. Also tracked some of his descendants - his eldest son Henry was one of the first migrants to New Zealand in 1841, and another son William became RN Fleet Surgeon. Youngest son Nicholas was a major in the Royal Marines. William's son Augustus became a country GP in Frome, Somerset.
Have also found Elizabeth Dalby (presumably the mother, but maybe a daughter-in-law) as a farmer in Asselby, in Baines's directory 1823.
Also Harriet (=Henrietta) Dalby married William Birks in 1816 after having an illegitimate son Robert Bolton Dalby in 1811. Beyoind that, no more info... but this is on a back burner for now as I am exploring other branches of the family. So the query can be archived, and I'll re-post more specific queries if I get stuck again.
Many thanks - Steve
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Not sure if you still need this info... pilot.familysearch.org
listed as Dolby
Ann dau of David Dolby ..Baptism 11 Oct 1766 Howden, York P00743-1 England-ODM 844555
John son of David Dolby.. Baptism 18 May 1765 Howden, York P00743-1 England-ODM 844555
listed as Doleby
Hannah dau of David Doleby ... Baptism 9 May 1771 Howden, York P00743-1 England-ODM 844555
listed a Dalby
Joseph son of David Dalby & Elizth. Cade Born 27 Ap 1780 Baptism 11 May 1780 Howden, York C00743-2 England-ODM 558355
Augustus son of David Dalby & Elizabeth Cade Born 2 Apr 1779 Baptism 6 May 1779 Howden, York C00743-2 England-ODM 558355
Jonathan son of David Dalby Baptism 17 Jan 1768 Howden, York P00743-1 England-ODM 844555
listed as Dallby
Simeon son of David Dallby & Elizth. Cade .. Baptism 6 May 1784 Howden, York C00743-2 England-ODM 558355
David son of David Dallby Baptism 25 Apr 1769 Howden, York P00743-1 England-ODM 844555
Henretta dau of David Dallby & Elizth. Cade.. Born 19 Feb 1787 Baptism 3 May 1787 Howden, York C00743-2 England-ODM 558355
Octavus son of David Dallby & elizth. Cade. Born 14 Dec 1784 Baptism 5 May 1785 Howden, York C00743-2 England-ODM 558355
Bendywendy
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Hi, Bendywendy -
Sorry, haven't visited rootschat for a while. Many thanks for the confirmations of baptism dates. Actually have quite a lot of information accumulated over the past 6 years - and in Feb/March this year actually visited a Dalby 4th cousin while on holiday in New Zealand.
- Sd
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Do you have your RC settings set, to send you a message to your email address, when someone leaves a message on your RC Threads???
This way you will be informed immediately of someone leaving a message, but if you don't respond to that initial message no more will be sent for other threads until you have viewed the first message each time.
bendywendy
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That's probably what happened. Message arrived while I was away in NZ - and although I picked up email on the trip, I was quite ruthless (too ruthless) about deleting things!
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Wondering if any of you have encountered Elizabeth Dalby, born in 1774 and married in Howden to Charles Singleton (son of an Asselby farmer) in 1792? I have assumed that she might be a child of David and Elizabeth Dalby - her children were given familiar names like David, Simeon and Jonathan. She doesn't feature on the IGI, but then it looks like no Howden births are recorded for that year at all...
Matthew
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That's an interesting one that I missed. Almost certainly one of ours, but I can't place her. The Asselby connection is significant. Do you have her parents' names?
David Dalby had a brother John, whose first wife Sarah seems to have died about 1777; I think he remarried (Margaret Usherwood, at Paull, 1 June 1778) and had at least two more children. Elizabeth could have been one of the later children of John and Sarah (the last I found were Catharine and Ann, christened 1776). However, there is a big gap between David's children Hannah (1771) and Augustus (1779) so she could be David's child.
regards
Stephen
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Hi
I have a book of Baptisms for Howden and surrounding area for 1659-1703.
I have checked for Dalby and variants and nothing listed, so they were none in Howden or districts
at that time.
The nearest name variant is DALLY.
bendywendy
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Hi,Bendywendy -
thanks - I think they probably moved up from Lincolnshire around 1700: I have a lot of Dalby records from north Lincs. about then, though haven't identified who exactly moved to Howden.
-S
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Hi
Have you seen/read these Parish Registers for Howden, I put them on RC Resource Board with a lot of others and also other PR on the West and North Yorkshire Resource Boards.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,532112.0.html
The Registers of the Parish of Howden, County of York Vol I 1543-1659
http://www.archive.org/stream/registersofparis21howd#page/n9/mode/2up
The Registers of the Parish of Howden, County of York Vol II 1543-1702
http://www.archive.org/stream/registersofparis24howd#page/n9/mode/2up
as above Vol II continued
http://www.archive.org/stream/registersofparis32howd#page/n9/mode/2up
The Registers of the Parish of Howden, County of York 1725-1770
This book contains the Indexes for all the books listed here on page 177
http://www.archive.org/stream/registersofparis48howd#page/n5/mode/2up
bendywendy
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Thanks very much for the responses. No indication of Elizabeth Dalby’s parents, but her death certificate indicates birth in 1774, and I had noticed the long gap between the recorded children of David Dalby in Howden. Also, it looks like no records of any births in that parish are recorded in that year, so had thought it highly likely she was David’s daughter. Her own children were William (1794 – named after his Singleton grandfaher), Elizabeth (1797), Charles (1799), John (1801), David (1803), Jonathan (1805), Mary (1809 – my forbear, she married the Howden veterinary surgeon John Bowman) , Hannah (1812) and Simeon (1814).
As for the origin of the Dalbys, there was a strong concentration in nearby Hemingbrough – the most famous is Robert Dalby, the C16th Catholic priest and martyr. From this branch, the father and son James and William Dalby were both vicars of Howden in the early C17th – you can find William’s details on the online database of Cambridge University alumni, edited by J.A. Venn. I don’t know if there might be a link there.
Matthew
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Hi MatthewG
Have you considered non conformist too, was plenty of them in and around Howden, take a look in the Resource Board for further info as to these names, places and where they are kept.
b.
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Hi Stephen,
Having been in contact on this thread last November, I returned to a bit of research a few months ago, and tracked down the will of David Dalby's wife Elizabeth from the Borthwick Institute: this confirmed, as I thought, that my ancestor, also called Elizabeth (b. 1774), was indeed their daughter. I don't know if you knew, but a google check revealed that a descendant of Augustus Dalby has put up a few mid C19th photos online:
http://www.jcdalby.com/
I wondered whether you knew anything about the origins of Howden/Asselby Dalbys prior to 1700? I'm especially interested in seeing whether there was a connection with William Dalby, vicar of Howden in about 1600, and also Robert Dalby from neighbouring Hemingbrough, a Catholic priest executed in the 1580s, who has been declared a martyr by the Roman Catholic Church.
Best regards,
Matthew
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WILLIAM DALBY:
History of the Priory & Peculiar of Snaith in the County of York. Charles Best Robinson.
http://www.ebooksread.com/authors-eng/charles-best-robinson/history-of-the-priory--peculiar-of-snaith-in-the-county-of-york-ibo/page-7-history-of-the-priory--peculiar-of-snaith-in-the-county-of-york-ibo.shtml
109 entry, 3rd paragraph
Quote """William Dalbie, clerk, curate of Whitgift in 1601, presided as surrogate at the synod of 29th March, 1G03, and is styled "Preacher, of Howden." One William Dalby, M.A. was instituted vicar of Haxe}'-, in the diocese of Lincoln, 26th August, 1606 ; and on 5th July, 1625, a will was proved at York before Richard Bridges, A. M,, and on 1st October, 1644, before Richard Wood, LL.D., deputy of William Dalby, A.M., official of the peculiar jurisdiction of Howden. He was living at Howden, 23rd February, 1636-7""" unquote
ROBERT DALBY:
http://supremacyandsurvival.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/blessed-john-amias-and-blessed-robert.html
Quote """ Robert Dalby was from Hemingbrough in the East Riding of Yorkshire and lived at first as a Protestant minister. Becoming a Catholic, he entered the English College at Rheims on 30 September 1586 to study for the priesthood. He was ordained a priest at Châlons on 16 April 1588. It was on 25 August that year that he set out for England """ unqote
From Wikipedia, Robert Dalby:
Quote """Robert Dalby (died 1589) was an English Catholic priest and martyr.
He came from Hemingbrough in the East Riding of Yorkshire and lived at first as a Protestant minister. Becoming a Catholic, he entered the English College at Rheims on 30 September 1586 to study for the priesthood. He was ordained a priest at Châlons on 16 April 1588. It was on 25 August that year that he set out for England. He was arrested almost immediately upon landing at Scarborough on the Yorkshire coast and imprisoned in York Castle. Given the 1585 Act making it a capital offence to be a Catholic priest in England the terrible sentence of hanging, drawing and quartering was inevitable. It was carried out outside the city of York on 16 March 1589. His fate was shared by a fellow priest, known to us as John Amias. On arrival at the place of execution the prisoners prostrated themselves in prayer. Robert Dalby had to watch his fellow priest be hanged and quartered before his own turn came, but he displayed no hesitation in going to his death.
Both priests were declared Blessed (the last stage prior to sainthood) by Pope Pius XI on 15 December 1929.
[edit]Sources
The most reliable compact source is Godfrey Anstruther, Seminary Priests, St Edmund's College, Ware, vol. 1, 1968, p. 96 """ unquote
THE HISTORY OF HEMINGBROUGH
http://archive.org/stream/heminbrough00burt#page/366/mode/2up
Page 366 at the very bottom to page 268
Page 366... This family located for many centuries at Barlby ...
Top of page 367.... 1588-89 Sir Robert Dalbie
bendywendy
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hi matthewG and bendywendy .... sorry not to have replied sooner, but I wasn't notified of the new postings on this thread. Interesting stuff. I've gone through the jcdalby.com website, though it's impossible to navigate normally. There are a lot of text pages but the only way into them is by googling. It has a number of errors, but also a lot of useful new information about Augustus's family. Will try and link everything in. By the way, just took a look at Brian Dalby's tree on GenesReunited and this seems to be more complete.
-Stephen
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By the way, Matthew - have you transcribed Elizabeth's will yet? I think the Borthwick |Institute are a bit touchy about people scanning copies of things, so I won't ask you for a copy of the will itself - but would be good to have a transcription. In return, if of interest, I can let you have a copy of the will of Augustus Dalby. This one is quite interesting in terms of the omissions - not even a mention of his eldest son Henry Augustus who had emigrated to New Zealand in 1841. Long story, and quite a fascinating one.
all the best - Stephen
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Hello Stephen
Carlisle Patriot 03 April 1819, newspaper - indicates surname Dalby was a Master of a vessel called 'John and Jane' on that particular trip, from Selby.
"Newcastle upon Tyne"
"John and Jane, Dalby, from Selby;"
If you come across any Sept 1845 George Hood burial, on your searches, I'd be interested in date and Parish, please?
Regards Mark
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Hi Mark -
Thanks for that! Fascinating. One of the sons of David Dalby was Augustus, born 1779 (an elder brother of my ancestor Octavius). He was a Master in the Royal Navy (the youngest ever when promoted in 1801), and served on a number of ships from 1801 to at least 1807 - but probably later as well. One of his sisters had married Jasper Burniston (or Boniston) who was a Selby ship owner. It would not surprise me in the least if this was Augustus Dalby. By then he was living in Saltash, Cornwall, but as a seafarer he could well have gone back to Yorkshire. He was quite wealthy from prize money during the wars, and also received half-pay RN pension as well as holding a number of other positions from time to time, including chief customs officer at Dartmouth, purse of a Cornish tin mine, and towards the end of his life commisioner of pilotage at St Ives.
I shall certainly look out for George Hood. Not a name that I have come across - but it sounds very naval! Not related to Admiral Hood ?
all the best
Stephen
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This post is for the attention of MatthewG
You said earlier that you descend from John Bowman and Mary Singleton. I am interested in this family as I believe I have an illegitimate descent from one of their children.
I had my husband (not direct male line) and his half-cousin (who IS in the direct male line) do DNA tests, and I have several matches for the cousin who descend from the 2 eldest surving sons. My husband has a mass of Singletons, but they appear to be much further back as IBDs, but he does have a match from William Singleton and Hannah Hoop. There are also a couple of female cousins on the same generation as my husband who also match Bowman descendants.
The fact that my husband's great-great-grandmother (who originated in London from a Bristol family) was in service with one of the family members in Yorkshire is, of course, probably purely coincidental! ;)
I would be interested in a discussion with you.
Thanks.