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Hi
l am in desperate need of some help or even advice on my search for a William Blackwell of Earls Barton Northamptonshire, l have alot of information on him for the middle part of his life but struggling with the beginning and end :), ln 1842 William Blackwell was convicted and sent to Van Diermens Land Australia for 10 years on the ship Candahar and believe from his convict records was released in 1851 as this was the start of the Gold Rush l believe that is where he headed but that is not for sure as l can not find a trace of him after his 1851 release.
My main interest at present is my attempt to find a birth for him from the 1841 Census record l believe he was Born around 1798 he married twice in Earls Barton Northamptonshire but can not find a birth for that area Also on Williams Indent Record it states that he has 2 brothers Thomas and Francis and 2 sisters Mary and Sarah any help with finding 5 matching even possible sibling matches would be Very much appreciated.
Thank you in advance
Kind Regards
Nadine
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Hi there Nadine,
No wonder you have had dificulties - in actual fact they were in Oxfordshire.
William BLACKWELL 41. 1800. Adderbury East, Oxon.
Sophia " 39 1802
John " 15 1826
George " 12 1829
Samuel " 10 1835
Betsy " 8 1833
William " 0 (2 mths) 1841.
HO107/ 875/ 1/22/ page 12. Adderbury East, Oxfordshire.
Cheers, Iban.
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Hello Nadine
Who did William marry in Earls Barton - do you know ?
There is a William & Elizabeth Blackwell baptised their children - Sibvey, Hannah, Rebekah & Sarah between 1817- 1826 the at Baptist Chapel in Earls Barton and a Francis & Ruth Blackwell who baptised their son Richard in 1835 at the same chapel - Ruth died shortly after the birth of her son in August of that year.
Happy to let you have further details of the baptism entries if these are of interest to you.
No baptism that I can see for William or any of his siblings in the Chapel entries tho'
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There are two marriages in Earls Barton C of E for William Blackwell.
Charlotte James - 24 Dec, 1815
Elizabeth Berrill - 11 Jan, 1819
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Hi
Thank you all for your quick replies, Sorry to say lban that is not my family as l have there 1841 Census but thank you for your help ? .
Captain2 also thank you and jaytilson William married both the ladies jaytilson mentioned Charlotte James Died a Year after the marriage also Captain2 Rebekah Blackwell baptized in 1826 3rd Times Gt Greatmother any information would be wonderfull and thank you for your time.
Kind Regards
Nadine
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Another possible for the 1841 census - HO107/0801 Earls Barton, Northamptonshire
In the same household
William Blackwell. 49. Agricultural Labourer. BIC. Yes
Thomasina Masdin ? :-\ (can't read the name very clearly) 28.
BIC Yes
George Masdin? 6. BIC - Yes
Mary-Ann Masdin? .2. BIC - Yes
Mary Blackwell. 14. BIC Yes
Thomas Blackwell. 5. BIC
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You're very welcome.. here are all the children for William & Elizabeth. Place of abode for all baptisms is Earls Barton
Sibvey (unusual name ?) Blackwell born 19 March 1817 & baptised 3 April 1818
This baptism is taken from the Register of Births & Baptisms for the Wesleyan Chapels in the Wellingborough circuit 1799-1835
The remaining birth entries are taken from the Register of Births at the Baptist Chapel in Earls Barton, Northamptonshire 1770-1837
Hannah Blackwell born July 26th 1821
Rebekah Blackwell born March 28th 1824
Sarah Blackwell born 16 June 1826
There are no references to the baptism's for the girls as these registers only cover the birth dates.
Hope this helps
Angie
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They seem to have been baptised in Earls Barton as BLACK
children of William and Martha BLACK
2 Jul 1780 Sarah
22 Jun 1783 Mary
13 Feb 1786 Thomas
7 Oct 1787 Frances
22 Jan 1792 William
William BLACK married Martha BAYS 11 oct 1779
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Thank you all so much you are truely amazing :) a Quick apology to Captain2 Rebekah baptist 1826 is not my direct Grandmother although she is a Gt Aunt that died young William and Elizabeth Named another daughter Rebekah Baptist 9th March 1830 who IS my Distant Grandmother They also had 2 sons John Baptized 9th Oct 1814 and Thomas Baptized 30th April 1820 and do have their Baptisms Dates but Very Grateful for the additional Birth Dates also l have not seen the unusual Sibvey Birth something for me to look in to , l do have a possible 1841 Census which show that l believe William married a third time as there is 2 deaths for a Elizabeth Blackwell both before the 1841 Census.
H.O.107/801/3 Earls Barton pg 18 Folio 31
William Blackwell 45, Shoem, Y
Maria 31 Y
Rebecca 11 Y
Sarah 8 Y
Also in Household
William 9 Y
Mary 1 Y
l Also thank you very much to mgeneas l have been searching for so long and looks like a brilliant possibility and l am very eager to look in it, l have seen William referred to as william jr but oviously that may not mean from his father as could be a grandparent but then also is very optimistic :):).
Thank you Again
Nadine :)
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Also sorry again William and Mary in the 1841 Census are William and Mary Sheffield
Kind Regards
Nadine
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From the 1751-1812 burial index
Frances BLACK age 6 was buried 11 Jul 1794
William BLACK an infant buried 11 Feb 1793
So if this is your family they must have had a later William.
There don't seem to be any early records for the Baptist Church in Earls Barton.
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Thank you Mgeneas
lf this is the correct family then it would of been around 1798 as from my Williams 1841 Census and his convict records in 1841 he was around 43 years of age, l am so happy at the moment obviously everything needs to be confirmed but l have literally just seen another researcher who is researching william and martha and also link the name Blackwell l am so gratefully for all your help
Kind Regards
Nadine :)
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There were 2 William Blackwells in Earls Barton
William a shoemaker and William a labourer. Both were married to Elizabeths, and both couples baptised children around the same time.
Both of the Williams are in the 1841 census
William the shoemaker living with Maria, quoted by Nadine
and
William the ag lab transcribed by ancestry as Blackal, with age also wrong, transcibed as 66 instead of 46
According to the Mercury newspaper in Oct 1841 William was a labourer when he 'burglariously entered the house of Charles Cornish' He was sentenced to 10 years transportation.
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Thank you all Very much for your help
Also thank you as l now know that l have been following the wrong William Blackwell and that William Blackwell Shoemaker is my true Distant Relative l did not see the blackal 1841 Census, so have reverted back to my last knowledge of him the 1841 Census with 3rd wife Maria l found their Marriage on my fiche at my local library where william was noted as William Blackburn Married Maria Sheffield 1841 Earls Barton l also found Maria Blackwell nee Sheffield on Census and she is stated as windowed so believe William Blackwell must have passed between 1841 and 1851, l have not yet found a death for that time frame l have also just done a search on freereg.com and found the matching marriage transcribe which gives a fathers name of John Blackburn
Earls Barton
All Saints Parish Church
Marriage 17 Jan 1841 which would explain the sheffield children on the Census
Groom William Blackburn
Widow
Shoemaker
Bride Maria Sheffield
Widow
Grooms father John Blackburn
Labourer
Brides Father Richard Ford
Leather Dresser
Witnesses William Austen and John Sage
Now with the surname mistake my journey continues thank you all again for your help it is very much appreciated
Kind Regards
Nadine
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HI All
l am cheekily going to ask if you could help me one more time and apologise if you feel l may have wasted you time so far, After further research today l have found another trail and would be most grateful for a view on it and whether it could be a good possibility l will try to keep it as short as possible.
l will just add a reference for each person to understand who each person is.
First l will start with my now known GT Gt Grandfather William Blackwell Born about 1798 shoemaker believe Northamptonshire William Married Firstly Charlotte James, Secondly to Elizabeth Berril both Earls Barton, William and Elizabeths Daughter Rebecca has been spelt Rebekah born 1830 Earls Barton is my Direct Grandmother William married a third time to a widower maria Sheffield in 1841 after Elizabeths death and appear on the Census married and my rebekah present along with her sister also marias step daughter on william and marias marriage it is mistranscribed as Blackburn but states williams father as John l can not find any reference to William or father john in Earls Barton apart from williams marriages that suggested he was born else where.
l had been wrongly following a william blackwell l will state as William no2 born around the same time as my william and had been christening children at the same time also in Earls Barton because of the same surname l thought could they still possibily be related, so decided to trace William Blackwell no2 to see where it would lead firstley to see if william no 2 had a uncle John Blackwell. now l will say a brief explaintion of what l found.
William no 2 born 1792 son of William Blackwell l will state as William no3 and Martha Bayes married 11 Oct 1779 Earls Barton, William Blackwell no 3 baptized 29 May 1750 Wollaston Northamptonshire but as Black son of William Blackwell Black l will state as William 4 and Rebecca Ekins.
other children of William no 4 and rebecca Ekins as baptized as Black
Mary Black bpt 22 May 1748 Wollaston
Eliz Black bpt 24 May 1752 Wollaston
Ekin Black
Rebekah Black bpt 4 March 1759 Wollaston
Sarah Black Bpt 4 Oct 1761 Wollaston
Thomas Black bpt 6 Jan 1765 Wollaston
John Black bpt 26 May 1754 Wollaston
John Black married a Elizabeth Dell on 6 Aug 1776 Higham Ferrers Northamptonshire which is not far from Earl Barton.
John and Elizabeth had the following children in Higham Ferrers
Rebekah Black bpt 12 Oct 1777
Sarah Black bpt 14 May 1780
John Ekins Black 22 Aug 1784
Elizabeth Black bpt 19 Aug 1787
Thomas Black bpt 17 Aug 1789
Joseph Black bpt 22 July 1793
Sadly l am still unable to link my William as can not find a son born to john and Elizabeth Black named William but think that as he would of been born 5 years after their last child maybe l have just missed it also with Johns brother living in Earls Barton and the ovious Rebecca link do you think that my william is a missed baptism and namedf his daughter after his sister , Aunt , and Grandmother maybe first went to visit his uncle and cousin and decided to stay l apologise again to drooling on but any opinion would be most appreciated.
Kind Regards
Nadine
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The William BLACKWELL that married Charlotte JAMES in 1815 then Elizabeth BERRILL in 1819 was descibed in both the marriage entries as a labourer.
I cannot see a marriage for William the shoemaker in the marriage index.
William the shoemaker and his wife Elizabeth bapt these children in Earls Barton parish church
5 Apr 1812 Samuel (recorded as BLACKMOOR)
9 Oct 1814 John
30 Apr 1820 Thomas
5 Aug 1821 Hannah
12 Dec 1826 Rebekah
9 Mar 1830 Rebekah
12 Oct 1834 Sarah
They seem to have also attended the Baptist church as some births are recorded there (found in FreeReg)
Sarah Ann 16 Jun 1826
Rebekah 28 May 1824
Hannah 26 Jul 1821
William the labourer's children, he also has wife Elizabeth
29 Apr 1821 Charlotte
9 Oct 1836 Thomas
A Mary Blackwell age 16 was bapt 14 Jun 1843 no parents mentioned but when she marries in 1852 she says that William the labourer is her father.
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Here is a William to consider
William BLACK otp, bachelor married Eliz SMITH opt, spinster
1st Sep 1809 at Higham Ferrers
They did not baptise any children in H.F.
This could be the William bapt 19 May 1782 to John and Elizabeth BLACK at H.F.
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Let's just check that I'm following you correctly .... you have ruled out William the labourer and you are concentrating on William the shoemaker - yes ? He married Elizabeth ? (possibly Elizabeth Smith as mgeneas post) and then Maria Sheffield. Their children as mgeneas has listed include Rebecka b.1830 your direct-line - yes? You are looking for the baptism of William the shoemaker - c. 1798 - and his father is John Blackwell - and mgeneas has posted a possible as the son of John & Eliz. Black in Higham Ferrers 1782
Phew ... I was getting a little lost ... so you are sorted now Nadine are you? if John & Eliz. are William's parents
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Ahh.. but looking at the post again... William who was transported was reported as a 'labourer' and in the 1851 census Maria Blackwell is shown as 'married' aged 40 with a 1 year old daughter Elizabeth ? :-\
Ref HO107/1743/F89 Earls Barton, Wellingborough, Northamptonshire
Maria Blackwell. 40. Head. Lace-maker. b. Willingham, Bucks
William Sheffield. 17. son. Shoemaker. b. Earls Barton
Mary Blackwell. 9. Daughter. Shoe-closer. b. Earls Barton
Eleanor Blackwell. 7. Daughter. Scholar b. Earls Barton
Elizabeth Blackwell. 1. Daug. b. Earls Barton
Infact, all three girls have been born after the 1842 transportation of William Blackwell....
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Hi Captain
l think l have actually confused myself and as you can tell lm still pretty much a beginner compared to other researchers and l had not seen the 1851 census so thank you for that l did not understand the high possibilty of different spelling etc, l am absolute on the information concerning Rebecca born 1830 she married Frederick Ward in Northampton Northamptonshire l stupidly took william blackwell with daughter rebecca as the william blackwell who was transported as rebeccas father which now he was not .
My Rebecca is The daughter of William Blackwell the shoemaker and Elizabeth and from what you kind people have mention about the 1851 Census my next search would be to attempt to find my William on the 1851 as was not with the family, l am also thinking that the William Blackwells even tho confused me could be related william blackwell who was transported had a cousin AUnt and his Grandmother were named Rebecca he also had a Uncle John Blackwell born Wollaston but married and raised his family in Higham ferrers john is also stated as a labourer which is the information of my true William Blackwells father looks like a good possibilty but then again my william could be a william blackwell from wales who happened to end up in Earls barton so it is all just speculation at the moment either way l have moved forward in my research from where l was yesterday, And must say even tho l have traced the wrong William Blackwell he seemed a very interesting person and really enjoyed the search and maybe helpfull to fellow researcher should they come across my posts in the future but hopefully not confuse them as much as l have other lol
Thank you all again
Kind Regards
Nadine
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That's ok Nadine, as long as you are now on the right track... if you need anything further, then give us a shout again ;)
Kind Regards
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HI All.
Nadine you have noted two valuable points in researching family trees. :)
1. Always check your information before going forward along the
in-correct branches. You did.
2. No matter how new you are to family research everyone one of
us starts with a birth certificate and a set of parents and progresses
from that point.
Also as you so rightly say the information by being in the public domain
may help another researcher who is following the other William Blackwell.
Therefore the postings are in-valuable to many. :)
As Marilyn (mgeneas) and Alan have transcribed all Northants bap, marriages,
and burials for the areas they list they are an in-valuable resource
for us in Northants and at a click of a button we can assist others.
I do have photo's of the graves at Earls Barton and Cemetery Records
so if you need help with anything related to them just ask.
Rootschatters are always willing to help knock down someones brick walls. :)
Sandy