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Hi,
Can anybody find the parents of Ellen Cooper b1883 in Fencott? She married Arthur Edwin Honour in 1906.
Thank you,
Jack
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There is an 1891 entry with parents John J and Sarah A but birthyear is 1889 (1888 on freebmd)
This seems to be your Ellen
Births March qtr 1883
Ellen Cooper Bicester 3a 821
What is her fathers name on the 1906 marriage cert as there is no 1901 entry either with that profile
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Is this marriage too much of a coincidence?
Marriages June qtr 1890 Ellen Cooper Bicester 3a 1241 and on same page -
David Honour
No children with them in 1891
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Ellen b 1883 was illegitimate
Have a look at the 1881 centry for Ellen Cooper b Murcott 1866 and in 1891 - Ellen jnr is with her grandfather and her mother Ellen and stepfather David are living next door
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I don't have the marriage certificate and I have found the marriage on FreeBMD. Is this the only possible trace of Ellen you can find?
There were a lot of Honours and Coopers in the area so I think that is just coincidence.
Can you list the people in that census you've just found so I can add it to my tree as I currently have no subscription site access.
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It is funny she's illegitimate as her husband was also illegitimate!
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or b 1883 Q1 Bicester 3a 821?
Fencott, on the great named River Ray
Ray
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Ray,
Thank you but I had already found this BMD, though it doesn't list the parents and that's really what I want. But it looks like Carole has found the parents on a census - so we'll just have to wait and see who she says is listed in the family....
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Hi
The 4 pages for the hamlet of Fencott is packed full of Cooper, Honour and Collett families
Charlotte Collett is grandpa Coopers housekeeper.
Ray
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Found this on 1891 census
Thomas Cooper 50
Charlotte Collett 55 housekeeper
Tom Cooper 30 son
Bernie 25 son
Jonah 28 son
Richard 18 son
Annie 11
Ellen 8 grand daughter.
Not much help sorry
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The 1881 entry can be viewed FOC on the Family Search website but I have just looked again at the 1891 entry and it's a different family
1891 for Fencott all children are shown as Cooper and as sons or daughters except Ellen
Thomas Cooper 50 single ag lab b Murcott
Charlotte Collett 55 housekeeper single b Fencott
Tom 30 b Fencott
Bernie 25 b Charlton
Jonah 28 b Fencott
Richard 18 ditto
Annie 11 ditto
Ellen Cooper 8 g/dtr ditto
2 doors away
David Honour 24 b Murcott
Ellen 25 b Murcott
RG12 Piece 1170 Folio 52 Page 11
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Hi All,
Thank you very much for your help but it appears we haven't got very far. How can we find out who Ellen's parents are?
I wonder if anybody has the Fencott baptism CD? Wouldn't the baptism give the parents names?
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How can we find out who Ellen's parents are
By buying a copy of her birth cert
Births March qtr 1883
Ellen Cooper Bicester 3a 821
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and/or
you could buy a copy of this certificate . . . . .
Marriage June qtr 1890 Bicester 3a 1241
Ellen Cooper Bicester / David Honour
Report back when you have them?
Chers!
Ray
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Hi,
From OFHS Charlton on Otmoor PRs ( Bicester cd )
Marriage
Jun 24 1890 David Honour, 23, bach, lab, Murcot, s Alfred, lab
Ellen Cooper, 24, sp, Murcot, d ( blank )
Wits...William Cooper, Alma Honour
Not much help im afraid but will save money on getting marriage cert
Sue :)
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Also from the same PRs...
Marriage
Aug 30 1906 Arthur Edwin Honour, 27, bach, lab, Charlton, s (blank )
Ellen Cooper, 23, sp, Fencot, d (blank)
Wits...Jonah Cooper, Caroline Probets
Sue
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Looking into this a little bit more i did find this baptism...
Feb 17 1866 Ellen Badger Cooper, d Emma Cooper, single woman, Murcot
Now this could be baptism of the Ellen who marries David Honour....
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Hi all,
Well, I think we've now confirmed that we've found the right family, just not the parents. We do not know if this other Cooper/Honour marriage is linked yet though.
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Can we find Ellen in 1901?
Jack
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Apologies if I'm repeating what you already know.
Charlton on Otmoor Parish Register entries
Baptism
1888 Nov 25th Ellen COOPER dau of John Jesse & Sarah Annie carrier of Fencot.
Marriage by banns
1884 Nov 13th John Jesse COOPER 23 bach lab of Murcot son of James lab & Sarah Ann HONOUR 20 spin of Murcot dau of Goodwin (decd)
Witnesses: Job COOPER, Ellen COOPER
Mick (at the Oxfordshire History Centre until 4 pm today)
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Further to the above, I should have added - no other Ellen Cooper baptism at Charlton on Otmoor after Ellen Badger Cooper in 1866 (daughter of Emma Cooper single woman) until the one I mentioned above (1888)
Mick