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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Wicklow => Topic started by: noxas on Tuesday 12 June 12 19:26 BST (UK)
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Hi,Im trying to trace the birthplace of Ellen Whelan,I believe she may have been born in the Baltinglass area.
If possible I would like to also find out the parish she may have lived in.
With thanks,Diarmuid
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Do you have an approximate year of birth for Ellen ?
It might be worth starting your search with her marriage record, as that would give you additional details such as the name and occupation of her father and her address at the time..
Shane
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Hi Shane,the only thing i have in line with a date is the year which i believe is1886.
With my thanks,Diarmuid.
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Hi Shane ,sorry about the last post it should be 1895.
Regards Diarmuid.
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Since the place of birth sounds a little uncertain, I'd follow up the marriage to be sure about father's name. There could be several Ellen Whelan's born around the right time.
The district of Baltinglass covered areas in counties Carlow and Kildare in addition to Wicklow. These are the various possibilities for the surname in the district :
Whelan births, Baltinglass district, 1893 to 1897 (https://www.familysearch.org/search/records/index#count=20&query=%2Bsurname%3Awhelan~%20%2Bbirth_place%3ABaltinglass%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1893-1897~&collection_id=1408347)
Have you checked the census returns for possible matches ?
Shane
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I have had a look at the link i the one i thought may fit is the Mary Ellen.The other things i know about the family is that they appear on the 1911 census in Carlow.
The head of house is John Neill stepfather.
Margared Neill mother.
Thomas Whelan.
Ellen Whelan.
Margared Whelan.
Diarmuid.
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My greatgrandmother was Bridget Whelan from Baltinglass who had a sister Ellen. They also had a sister Anne and a brother Paddy. She may have been Mary Ellen there has been some confusion in what my grandmother wrote down. Their mother was also Bridget. I would have to look up the father's name. I believe Ellen may have married a Reilly but again I would have to check. Any of this sound right?
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Hi there
I posted yesterday and I was a little mixed up between the families. I looked up some info last night. and this is what we have.
My great grandmother was Bridget Whelan from Baltinglass. She was born around 1873. We believe her sister (Mary) Ellen married Denis Harcourt and that she died around 1949 age 72. Making her born around 1877. From what we have gathered their children went to the UK. There was also a brother Patrick born around 1872. And there was a sister (Mary) Anne who had two children Joseph and Patty. We don't know her DOB. We believe their father was Michael Whelan and his wife was Bridget Whelan.
Michael Whelan's brother was Christopher and he was also married to a Bridget. They lived in Rathcoole and also had a daughter Ellen. It was this Ellen who married into the Reilly family.
Hope this may help.
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Hi,Sorry for the delay in responding to you both,Shane as yet i have not located the marriage or date but i have an aunt who may be able to help with this.
Gillbean my grandmother`s husband was a chap named Michael Donohoe,so I'm not shore that there is a connection,also i believe it is possible that either she was born out of wedlock or that her father died earlier in her life,she did have one sibling i know of his name was Thomas Whelan he died in the early months of W.W.1,i also know that he served with the Royal Dublin Fusiliers.
If any of this sounds familiar i would like to hear from you again.
Thanks to you both,once again sorry for the delayed reply,
Diarmuid.
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There are two Thomas Whelan's from the RDF listed on the CWGC website - one a Private with the 2nd Batn. and service number 7556 and he died 24 Oct 1914 - no other details mentioned on him.
The other died later in the War on 27 April 1916 and was a Lance Corporal with the 9th Batn. age 40 service number 23969. The record for him mentions that his brother is a Patrick Whelan, of 'Paulwille', Tullow, Co. Carlow.
Not sure what 'Paulwille' refers to - doesn't seem to be the name of a townland - maybe the name of a house or estate ?
Not exactly Baltinglass, but Tullow is only about 17km away...
Shane
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There was a Paulville house in the townland of Tankardstown just north of Tullow - probably what Paulwille on the CWGC entry referred to.
S.
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possibility on the 1911 census for the Patrick Whelan mentioned on the CWGC record :
Whelan household - Tankardstown (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Carlow/Tankardstown/Tankardstown/312698/)
S.
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The other things i know about the family is that they appear on the 1911 census in Carlow.
The head of house is John Neill stepfather.
Margared Neill mother.
Thomas Whelan.
Ellen Whelan.
Margared Whelan.
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for reference here's that return for the family in Carlow town :
Neill/Whelan houshold (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Carlow/Carlow_Rural/Carlow_Rural_Part_1/310457/)
John & Margaret married two years - so presumably Margaret and the two children could appear somewhere on the 1901 return - with or with the husband/father..
just to clarify, did your Ellen marry a Michael Donohoe ?
S.
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Hi Shane,
Thanks for the reply,the T.Whelan i have is private T Whelan service no.7556 died 1914.
The Ellen Whelan does seem to be where Margared Neill is the mother,i wonder is there a way of finding the father to Thomas, Ellen,and Margared Whelan.
With many thanks,Diarmuid.
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Do you have the service record for Thomas already ?
There seems to be a WO363 record for him of about 20 pages. It's probably available on Ancestry or possibly FindMyPast UK
re Margaret - do you know her maiden name ?
There's a possible marriage for her and John Neill that might help - The Index only seems to include one surname for Margaret - but it may be possible to work out her maiden name using details of her father on the cert. Once you have that you could try searching for possible marriages to establish possible father to Ellen etc
Name: John Neill
Registration district: Carlow
Event type: Marriage
Quarter and year: Jan-Mar 1909
Volume: 3 / Page: 321
There's a Margaret Whelan with the same references...
You could try for birth certs for the children, but there could be a number of possible matches for each of them - all list Co. Carlow as place of birth
S.
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Hi Shane,
Once again sorry for the slow reply,i don't always log on every day plus i have odd work patterns which also keep me from the p.c.
I do not have the record for Thomas,what you have found looks like in an interesting prospect.My only information on him is his service medal from W.W.1.
As for Margaret i do not know her maiden name,but once again the leads you have provided look well worth looking into.
Thanks again for all your help.Regards Diarmuid.
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Hi again.
In response to an earlier reply from you ,yes Ellen did marry Michael Donohoe,again from the Carlow area.
Regards Diarmuid