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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Topic started by: newmark401 on Monday 11 June 12 15:57 BST (UK)
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I'm looking for some basic biographical information, including the first name(s), of some early male lawn tennis players, most, in not all, of whom were Scottish. These players were active in the years circa 1878-1888. They are listed alphabetically below:
W.W. Chamberlain
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R.A. Gamble
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C.J. Glenny
J.W. Glenny
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A.A. MacKay
A.M. MacKay
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C.C. Maconochie
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A.W. McGregor
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Any help would be greatly appreciated. In addition to the first name(s), I'm specifically looking for date and place of birth and date and place of death.
Mark
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For that era, www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk would have the information regarding births and if they died in Scotland their deaths will also be listed
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Hi
C C Maconochie could possibly be Charles Cornelious Maconochie son of Rober Blair Maconochie and Charlotte Todd born 1852 Edinburgh.
Can find Charles and his wife in 1891 and 1901 census showing him as an advocate. I am struggling to find the family on the 1861 , 1871 and 1881 census but I think they lived in England at some point and Charles dad was a land prop.
Hope this helps in your search
Norma
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Hi,
Thanks for your reply and the helpful information. I don't have access to the "scotlandspeople" website, which is why I posted my original message regarding those early tennis players.
Mark
Hi
C C Maconochie could possibly be Charles Cornelious Maconochie son of Rober Blair Maconochie and Charlotte Todd born 1852 Edinburgh.
Can find Charles and his wife in 1891 and 1901 census showing him as an advocate. I am struggling to find the family on the 1861 , 1871 and 1881 census but I think they lived in England at some point and Charles dad was a land prop.
Hope this helps in your search
Norma
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Mark, Everyone has access to the site 8)
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As found by Norma, C. C. Maconochie is definitely Charles Cornelius Maconochie. He became Sheriff of the Lothians and Peebles. In this Glasgow Herald review of a book about 50 years of Scottish Lawn Tennis there’s mention of Sheriff Maconochie, also of A. Morrice Mackay. http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2507&dat=19270809&id=9KBAAAAAIBAJ&sjid=ZKUMAAAAIBAJ&pg=4041,5538355
Here’s the Sheriffs obit in the Glasgow Herald.
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=GKNAAAAAIBAJ&sjid=jKUMAAAAIBAJ&pg=3902%2C3413052
A. M. MacKay was Alexander Morrice MacKay. His obit in the GH has him as three times Scottish Lawn Tennis champion. http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2507&dat=19551103&id=eWhAAAAAIBAJ&sjid=kpQMAAAAIBAJ&pg=4195,367114
This book published 1903? Has R.A. Gamble on page 63 as being now resident in India, with a photo on page 315. http://archive.org/stream/lawntennisathom00myergoog#page/n83/mode/2up/search/gamble
The Times of India has references to an R. A. Gamble in a very senior government post. This Wikipedia article is for him and there’s the tennis connection. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reginald_Arthur_Gamble
Here.s some info about him. http://www.rootschat.com/links/0ns8/
For J. W. Glenny, the Scotsman, 7 October, 1926, has an article headed ‘tennis players wedding’, and it’s about the wedding, in London, of Herbert Roper Barrett and Mrs Helen Glenny, widow of Mr John Waterhouse Glenny, of Hawick and Ipswich. Present were daughters of the bride, Misses Kate, Phyllis and Georgina Glenny, and also Mr. and Mrs. C. J. Glenny. On 8 March, 1919, there's a death notice for John W. Glenny who died at Broadview, Ipswich, on 6 March, age 50. He was the eldest son of the late James Glenny, Bucklands, Hawick.
Rex
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Fantastic , Well done Rex
Norma
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^^^^ Thanks to Rex for the reply and all of that great information. I presume that Alexander Morrice MacKay was related in some way to A.A. MacKay; ditto for John Waterhouse Glenny and C.J. Glenny?
Mark
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I see that Reginald Arthur Gamble was born in 1862, but I can't find a place of birth or an exact date of birth for him. He died on 7 July 1930 but, again, I can't find a place of death for him.
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Also, A.W. MacGregor is more than likely Arthur Wallace MacGregor, author of "Fifty Years of Lawn Tennis in Scotland". But I haven't been able to find any biographical information on him.
Any help would be appreciated.
Mark
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Hi
the 1911 census has a Reginald Arthur GAmble b c1863 in New Zealand living with his wife in Kensington London his occupation is stated as Indian Civil Service Commissionair
In the 1871 census there is a Reginald Arthur Gamble living with his parents Dominic Gamble and Mary EleanorvGamble living in Hampshire. He is also noted as being born New Zealand. His older brother was born in Scotland in 1860 and his younger brother in London. It would appear that his fahter may have been in the military as he is listed as a Colonel
in the 1881 there is a Reginald A Gamble living with an aunt in Devon his place of birth is given as Hampshire so possibly your man
There is also a death of a Reginald A Gamble in the Sept quarter of 1930 in Kensington again may be your man
Hope this helps
Norma
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Looks like Reginalds father was Irish and born approx 1824. His older brother was born in Edinburgh in 1860 and Reginald and his wife had 2 children Ralph b c 1897 and Katherine b c 1904 both children born India
Norma
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There is an Arthur W Mcgregor born Cirencester c 1863 on the 1871 census His father is Alexander and was born in Scotlan
On the 1881 census he is with his parents in Cirencester and his father is a commissions agent Arthur is a grocers assistant
On the 1891 census there is an Arthur W Mcgregor aged 27 lodger living in Bermondsey London This could possibly be your man
There is a death in the Sept quarter of 1931 in Banbury of an Arthur W Gamble
Norma
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To save duplication of searches there may be information here
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php
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Some obits.
The Scotsman, 25 October, 1937.
LATE MR A. WALLACE MACGREGOR, W.S.
Former Well-Known Tennis Player and Administrator.
THE death occurred on Saturday in Hawick Cottage Hospital of Mr A. Wallace Macgregor, LL.B., W.S., 19 Linden Terrace, Hawick, a former noted tennis player in Scotland, and a prominent figure in the administration of the game. Mr Macgregor, who was admitted a W.S. in 1892, partnered C. R. D. Pritchett in winning the men's doubles in the Scottish championships in 1900 and 1902, while in 1903 he and F. W. Payn were the winners. In 1905, 1906, 1907, and 1909 he and A. M. Mackay were the winners. He also won the mixed doubles in 1903 along with Miss Stoltz, and in 1910 along with Mrs Larcombe, Mr Macgregor also won the men's singles on several occasions in the South of Scotland Tournament, and was in the winning pair in the men's and mixed doubles. He played for Scotland against Belgium in 1914. Taking a keen interest in all lawn tennis matters, Mr Macgregor was for long secretary of the East of Scotland Lawn Tennis Association, and later of the Scottish Lawn Tennis Association, of which he was a past president. About two years ago he was elected an honorary life vice-President of the Scottish Association.
London Times, 9 July, 1930.
SIR REGINALD GAMBLE.
INDIAN FINANCE.
Sir Reginald Gamble, whose death at the age of 68 after a long illness is announced, was a former Comptroller and Auditor-General in India. With many years' experience of Indian finance he had served too for four years after his retirement from the Indian Civil Service as chief inspector to the Chinese Government Salt-Revenue Department. He was a keen sportsman.
A son of Lieutenant-General D. G. Gamble, C.B., Reginald Arthur Gamble was educated at Balliol College, Oxford, where he won his Blue for tennis. Passing the Indian Civil Service examination of 1881, he was posted to the Bombay Presidency, but after a few years' novitiate was transferred to the Financial Department of the Government of India as Assistant Comptroller of Indian Treasuries. He went to the Punjab in 1897 as Accountant-General, and he continued to serve over the entire area after the North-West Frontier districts were made a separate Province nearly 30 years ago. From August, 1905, he acted as Commissioner of the Northern India Salt Revenue, and was confirmed in the appointment in 1907. The work was suited to his tastes as offering opportunities for good big game shooting without unduly limiting his practice at tennis, in which he long held the Bengal and Punjab championships. He was also a keen fisherman, and in later years was often in Scotland salmon-fishing with his old friend and colleague, Sir Richard Dane.
In 1914 the Secretary of State for India selected Sir Reginald for the responsible and independent position of Comptroller and Auditor-General in India. He was made an additional member of the Governor-General's Legislative Council in 1916, and was knighted in the following year. He retired in the summer of 1918, feeling severely the loss in the War of his only son, who was an officer in the Guards and had been the tutor of the Crown Prince of Belgium. Sir Reginald married in 1892 Jennie, one of the daughters (a widow) of Dr. Samuel Coates, of the I. M.S. Their daughter is married to the colonel of a British regiment now serving in India. Lady Bolton, wife of the ex-Chief Commissioner of the Frontier Province, is a step-daughter.
There’s a tree for the Glenny family two thirds of the way down on this page. Note the birth of Charles in 1871. http://www.dur.ac.uk/j.d.little/family/Wigham.html
Info gleaned from the Scotsman:
In1934, Eileen Ifra (Ilfra?) Wilson Glenny, married Irvine Ewart Chalmers Watson. The father, C. J. Glenny, of Deanfield, was head of the firm of Wilson & Glenny (Ltd), tweed manufacturers, Hawick. In December that same year, Nora, youngest daughter of Mr. and Mrs. Charles James Glenny, Deanfield, Hawick, became engaged to Robert Archibald Vivian Grieve. (He was later KIA in WW2). In 1937 a son of C. J. Glenny, Roland Crosfield Glenny, married Doris Mary Fairgrieve.
The Times, London, 6 September, 1961.
DEATHS.
GLENNY.—On Sept. 5th, 1961, his 90th birthday, Charles James Glenny, late of Deanfield, Hawick, Scotland.
Rex
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Many thanks to Norma and Rex for all the helpful information.
Mark
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I have a few surnames from the men's singles draw at the fourth ever Scottish Lawn Tennis Championships, held in Edinburgh in 1881. If anyone could expand on them with some basic biographical info, I would be very grateful:
Bell, T.A. (brother of Dr Joseph Bell, "the prototype of Sherlock Holmes")
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Cunliffe, B.S. (later Chief-Constable of Wigtownshire)
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Cunningham, B. (possibly Boyd)
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Davidson, A.L. (W.S. of Forrester and Davidson)
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Leggatt, C.A.S. (a doctor by profession)
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Mark
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Hi, I have an old photograph of a Scottish tennis club supper group. Written on the back is A.W.Mcgregor 21-9-1889. You can view it on my web site at www.lidovintageimages.co.uk