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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: Hercule Poirot on Monday 11 June 12 14:44 BST (UK)
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Searching for a death of a distant cousin who emigrated to Australia with her 3 sons on 30th April 1955.
She was LAURA OLWEN JONES and born in Blaenau Ffestiniog on 19th June 1917
I have located her in New South Wales on the 1958 and 1963 Aussie electoral rolls on Ancestry as Laura Olwen Jones but no sign of her in 1980. I suppose she could have married for a third time after 1963 but so far all attempts to find a death by christian names and DoB have drawn a blank.
Any help greatly appreciated
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Hi
Your person ofinterest may have married a 3rd time as you have noted.
NSW BDM restricts access to marriage records of less than 50 years so it is not possible to confirm or eliminate that possibility at the moment. Sorry.
As your person was born 1917 they may well still be alive and if living in NSW then they are protected by our Privacy provisions.
Cheers JM
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JONES, Laura Olwin
Death notice 12 May 1995
late of Canley Vale
Daily Telegraph (Sydney) 17 May 1995
http://www.ryersonindex.org/
See "requesting a lookup" in the left hand menu.
Debra :)
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Well found Dundee.
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Thank you Debra
Information greatly appreciated
HP
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Hi
This is the death notice for Laura Olwin JONES from The Daily Telegraph 17th May 1995.
Cheers :)
cupoflife
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Thank you for posting the obit notice, I have been waiting for a copy of this for two weeks after submitting a request via the RYERSON INDEX. Some members appear to be slow although I did get another clip within 2 days from another Ryerson member. Laura's obit confirms childrens names etc
I am also waiting for 2 other obit clips from the RYERSON MEMBERS, both brothers of Laura
JONES Percy
Death notice 24OCT2008 Death
late of Croydon Park
Daily Telegraph (Sydney) 28OCT2008
JONES Ivor (Taffy)
Death notice 23MAY1997 Death
late of Peakhurst
Daily Telegraph (Sydney) 30MAY1997
If you have access I would appreciate copies
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I have been waiting for a copy of this for two weeks after submitting a request via the RYERSON INDEX. Some members appear to be slow although I did get another clip within 2 days from another Ryerson member.
Ryerson look ups are done by volunteers and I wondered if you noted the following on their website when you posted your requests.
From their website.....
http://ryersonindex.net/request.php
..................Volunteers have lives too, and many reasons can get in the way of providing an immediate response to your request. In addition, many volunteers are retired, and can often be away from home and computer for extended periods.
Think very, very seriously about donating towards the cost of further indexing.
They provide a wonderful service and the index is an invaluable resource.
Cando
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Ivor was cremated and ashes collected Woronora cemetery.
Jamjar
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Hi
As requested, Ivor Jones and Percy Jones Death Notice.
It may be a good idea to inform Ryerson that your lookup is no longer need so that valuable volunteer resources can be put toward other lookups.
Cheers :)
cupoflife
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Percy was 87 at time of death and it looks like his ashes were taken.
Jamjar
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Diolch yn fawr iawn.
We have the correct Percy confirmed by his children.
Ivor needs further confirmation, if notice is correct he should have been 78 going on 79 and from the notice but that is not disclosed, he looks to have remarried. He emigrated on 11th June 1951 with his wife Martha. I have them on in 1954 as a couple in Victoria but in 1958 Ivor is on his own in New South Wales living with other family members (mother / sister / brother etc but no spouse). Cannot find a death for his Martha but will order their UK marriage certificate today to get more information on her.
As I currently have it, Laura, Ivor & Percy's mother emigrated with 2 grandchildren and all 4 of her children in the early 1950's. I am valid to obtain copies of the death certificate of the mother and her eldest son direct from NSW @ $30 aus each as they both died over 30 years ago (1964 / 1976).
I am now well advanced on child children of P, L & I. - indeed I have found a contact on Ancestry of a lady who married into the family to one of Percy's sons. I have offered my email address to share data as she has wrong UK information in her research, but alas I cannot get her to email me.
My next approach will be via the undertakers to pass on my details to family members, as with everything else it is a 50 / 50 ball game.
What I find fascinating is Laura's PDF has so far been downloaded 19 times, Ivor's 7 times and Percy's 5 times - yet nobody else has contributed to this thread !!.
If you didn't know what the Welsh is - THANK YOU VERY MUCH
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What I find fascinating is Laura's PDF has so far been downloaded 19 times, Ivor's 7 times and Percy's 5 times - yet nobody else has contributed to this thread !!.
It just means it has been looked at, not actually saved.
Jamjar
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JONES Ivor (Taffy)
Death notice 23MAY1997 Death
late of Peakhurst
Daily Telegraph (Sydney) 30MAY1997
How do you know this is him?
Jamjar
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Many people simply read the threads out of interest. Why would anyone wish to dowload the notices.
I am valid to obtain copies of the death certificate of the mother and her eldest son direct from NSW @ $30 aus each as they both died over 30 years ago (1964 / 1976).
Transcriptions are available at AUD$18 and are emailed to you.
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/howToTraceYouFamTree.htm#TranscriptionAgent
Cando
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I have now sorted out Laura, Percy and eldest brother plus their mother, only one left now is Ivor so I am researching all avenues.
I have found Ivor on 1954 (with wife Martha) & 1958 ER in NSW (with mum, brother & sister, brother Percy is on same ER page in 1958), I have also found 2 Ivor's in 1977 and 1980 with a Beverley Dawn who is mentioned on the DN you gratefully supplied, and they were in Peakhurst. Of all the Ivor Jones's deaths found by a Ryerson Index search only two stand out, all others are of wrong age as Ivor was born late 1918 / early 1919.
I am hoping further research with surviving family members who are my distant 3rd cousins may solve my research, in the meantime I plod on.
There is another death in 1982 but again his age doesn't appear - I do know his "son's" name, he was born before Ivor married Martha in Blaenau Ffestiniog, and the son is likely to be her child from a previous marriage / partner or Ivor's before he placed the band of gold on Martha's finger. Later today I will order Ivor's UK marriage certificate for more detailed information.
The other death notice I found is below, and Punchbowl is where I found his ER record 1977 / 1980. I have also found his son in NSW in 1980 ER, but he may well have moved by now. It is a pity that Aussie records are not as open as our UK databases. I cannot confirm this 1982 death with the NSW Archive as they only allow current searches up to 1981
JONES Ivor
Death notice 17DEC1982 Death
at Kogarah, late of Lakemba, formerly of Punchbowl
Sydney Morning Herald 18DEC1982
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Hi
Hopefully this can confirm/eliminate for Ivor Jones.
Cheers :)
cupoflife
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Thank you everybody for all your contributions.
Ivor still remains unclear, as I have no ages on the death notices to confirm. At the end of 2012 the 1982 death should be available under the 30 year rule to check who his parents are listed as I positively know about them.
I am very interested in the transcription agent facility for Ivor's mum and eldest brother, their death search has been confirmed by parents data on death index.
At least I now have undertaker's names who dealt with Laura and Percy and have found them on a web search.
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Hi there, I'm not sure if anyone is still looking for info but I am the eldest grandchild of Laura..
All the info you have of Laura so far is correct.. My father is Laura's middle son.. Frank William jones formally (Frank Peasley McAteer) only found this info out after her passing..
If you need any info please feel free to contact me..
🔆🔆
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Qdeb
I have sent you a personal message
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Qdeb
You and I are related as 3rd cousins ...... I recently sent you my email address by private message ...... your father and his older brother I have information on, and also information on their bio father, he remarried and had 2 more children who are half siblings to your father. Laura also remarried and had another son but her 2nd husband died before the family emigrated to Oz