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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: malcar on Monday 11 June 12 00:15 BST (UK)
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Hi All,
Sam Jones married Elizabeth Carruthers in Sunderland about 1904. Sam a mariner jumped ship in NZ, requested Elizabeth join him in Lower Hutt or he would stop her money, she joined him. I believe there was a child also called Sam travelled with her. My cousin visited them in Lower Hutt around 1939 to 41? Any information or contact with this family would be greatfully appreciated. Thanks. Malcolm.
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Hi Malcolm,
Can you give us any further information? Jones is a common name,did Elizabeth and Samuel have middle names and do you have approx years of birth for them,
Cheers Janette
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This appears to be their marriage on Free BDM's
Marriages Jun 1899
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
CARRUTHERS Elizabeth Sunderland 10a 1128
Jones Samuel Sunderland 10a 1128
Cheers Janette
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Wonder if this is him on the 1905-1906 Electoral Roll for Wellington, Wellington Central .... Samuel Jones, S.S. Kahu, Chief Mate.
Cheers
KHP
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Hi KHP,
I see in the 1935 electoral roll free index ther might be a likely match,2 Samuel's a senior and a junior
Cheers Janette
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Two entries for 1935 for the Wellington Roll Janette. Elizabeth, Samuel Senior (a labourer) and Samuel Jnr (a driver) all living at 15 Elizabeth Street, Lower Hutt.
Cheers
KHP
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Hello Malclom
Have been able to locate Samuel, Elizabeth, Samuel junior (and his wife), on electoral rolls.
Up until 1957 (at least), they were all living at the same Lower Hutt address.
Haven't as yet been able to positively identify burial or cremation records for the parents, but such records would be of little help, as it's probably (by now), their grandchildren you'd need to locate.
Likewise, unable to locate burial/cremation records for Samuel junior and wife in the area in which they last lived. Both were still on rolls in 1981.
~ Lu
see next >>
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There are 2 likely births for Samuel junior in FreeBDM's
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Births Sep 1899
Jones Samuel Sunderland 10a 682
Births Sep 1900
Jones Samuel Sunderland 10a 679
This death in NZ BDM's may fit the first birth above
1987/39086 Jones Samuel born 30 June 1899
Cheers Janette
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1987/39086 Jones Samuel born 30 June 1899
Cheers Janette
This could be the possible burial location ... 1987 aged 87
Whenua Tapu Cemetery Cremations.
Cheers
KHP
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There is a Elizabeth Jones at the same cemetery, 1987 aged 71.
Cheers
KHP
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NZ Marriage
Samuel JONES - Ruby Stella GRANT -- 1929
[Samuel (jnr) and Ruby are still living at same Elizabeth Street, Lower Hutt address, with parents in 1957. ]
Death
1986 - JONES - Ruby Stella -- d.o.b. 5 September 1897
Ruby Stella and Samuel (jnr) JONES were on electoral roll 1981 (- last available for online viewing) residing at Upper Hutt. (Can't see records for them at local cemetery, which might give name of a funeral director for more information -- have yet to check churchyards).
Seems Ruby Stella and Samuel possibly had a son (who appears at same address as them in later electoral rolls.)
Need to check further for this man who is possibly still living (though doesn't appear to be listed in current telephone directory. )
~ Lu
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Ah ... Ruby Stella JONES (d. 1896) - cremation record available (associated with Whenua Tapu).
Funeral Director (Ninness at Porirua) should be able to assist with further information regarding next-of-kin.
~ Lu
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DUH ! Ruby's d.o.d. should read ... 1986 :-[
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1986 - JONES - Ruby Stella -- d.o.b. 5 September 1897
~ Lu
Burial location Whenua Tapu Cemetery Cremations
Cheers
KHP
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There is a Elizabeth Jones at the same cemetery, 1987 aged 71.
Cheers
KHP
She may be the wrong Elizabeth,she was Known as Butler
Cremation Details
Surname JONES
Forenames Elizabeth (Known As Butler)
Age and age unit 71 Years
Gender Female
Date of Death 22 Aug 1987
Place of Death Hutt Hospital
Funeral Director Name Ninness Funeral Home, P O Box 50347, PORIRUA 5240
Date of cremation 26 Aug 1987
Ashes Disposal Scattered
Link to the cemetery here
http://www.pcc.govt.nz/cemetery/frameset_search.asp
Cheers Janette
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I had an inkling it was the wrong one, but put it up to eliminate her. :D
Cheers
KHP
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Hi Malcom
Here's the link to cremation record for Ruby Stella JONES (d. 1986). It gives you contact details for the Funeral Director.
http://www.pcc.govt.nz/cemetery/Frameset_search.asp
~ Lu
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Ruby Stella Jones death date was the 13th June 1986 and cremated on the 18th June 1986. Looks like it was a family member that was the applicant.
Cheers
KHP
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Getting the death notice will tell you about family also.
Cheers
KHP
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The same FD was used for both Ruby and Samuel,you could email them and ask if they have a copy of the newspaper death notices,the FD was Ninness Funeral Home,you will find their email here
http://www.fdanz.org.nz/about-fdanz/fdanz-funeral-directors/wellington.aspx
I usually cut and paste the cemetery record to an email to make sur all the information a FD needs is there.
Cheers Janette
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As a follow on from my Reply #8 Samuel died on the 16th May 1987 and cremated on the 20th May 1987.
Cheers
KHP
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Many thanks Janette, KHP and Lucy2,
You have all given me lots to think about. As requested further info on Sam and Elizabeth:-
Elizabeth married a sailor Samuel Jones in 1899. Sam sailed to NZ where he left his ship to join a company trading in the Southern hemisphere. He wrote to Elizabeth giving her an ultimatum, join me or I stop your money, she joined him, sailing out in 1913. Arthur Carruthers (b 1925) my cousin, visited them during WW2 when his ship visited NZ near Wellington, at a place called Lower Hutt. Arthur says Sam was quite a character. Nothing is known of them since.
Elizabeth and Sam Jones were both living at 49 Lawrence Street, Sunderland, at the time of their marriage, and there was a 10 year difference in their ages. Elizabeth Carruthers b 1872 the same year her mother died, I am thinking in childbirth or soon after from complications? Sam was born c 1862 both in Sunderland.
In the 1891 census Elizabeth is living with her brother Arthur Carruthers (my grandfather) in Wear Street and goes by the name of Elah, she was also known as Lizzie I am told. I believe the family was broken up after the death of her mother, and am still trying to find out where Elizabeth was brought up and by whom.
Your information gives me hope of finding grandchildren who may have answers to some of my questions, and maybe even a photo.
Thanks again ALL!
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Elizabeth Carruthers b 1872 the same year her mother died, I am thinking in childbirth or soon after from complications? Sam was born c 1862 both in Sunderland.
These seem to fit : There is an Elizabeth Jones died 20 December 1965 aged 93 and a Samuel died 5 January 1957 aged 94 at Karori Cremations
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0e0y/
Cheers
KHP
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Fantastic KHP,
This is brilliant news, have sent email to funeral directors for Sam and Ruby with the hope they may have records of death notices or a newspaper archive that wrote them, also if applicant could be contacted and informed of my interest. Thanks for all your hard work all of you, I can't thank you enough. malcar. (Malcolm)
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Hi Again,
I received a reply eventually from the Funeral People J Ninness, they gave me a contact name of Eric Jones, 34 Moaraki Road, Upper Hutt, tel 269 980. Having made an Internet search for this Eric or E Jones was unable to find at that address, it is possible he has moved but is also possible he has died? The Issue shows two males, one female ages 55, 51 and 46 respectively in 1986,making the eldest 81 and the daughter about 72 today, but unfortunately I don't have her married name. The death notice clipping must have slipped in the scanning process so only the right half is readable, there is a Brian, olin suspect that is Colin, Susan and a Donna, but unable to know if these are children or grandchildren etc? Any ideas where I can go from here? Malcolm.