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According to family history, Daniel BUDGE arrived in Australia at Sydney on 9/11/1840 aboard the barque "Royal Consort"; and he was the ship's carpenter. Can someone offer guidance on how I can research and confirm that he was a member of the crew and that he was a ship's carpenter?
(He married Elizabeth Matilda RICHARDS who was a passenger on the "Royal Consort").
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The NSW State Records online index has a Daniel BUDGE of Grenfell, DD 6 Nov 1888, duty paid 25 Sept 1889. You can order a copy of that file via their online option. Deceased Estate files can sometimes be quite informative, and include witness statesments, the will, copies of BDM documents, land grants etc. (and land grants/applications etc can include the name of the arrival ship !)
http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/collection-search
Is this your chap? http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/12910966 SMH 5 June 1848.
Cheers, JM
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Here is a link to the passenger list for the Royal Consort.
http://srwww.records.nsw.gov.au/ebook/list.asp?series=NRS5316&item=4_4787&ship=Royal Consort Arriving Port Jackson Nov 1840.
I am not sure how to find the ships crew for that voyage. Have you tried http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/
Here's the link to NSW Resources Board here at RChat.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,369703.0.html
Cheers, JM
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Hi
I have just had a look at the passenger list and searched on Mariners records, no Royal Consort list for 1840 on there. Elizabeth was on board though, I wonder if he changed his name?
mum mum
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Hi
I take it you have seen this
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/n/e/l/Cathie-L-Nelson/index.html
mum mum
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Thanks everyone for your assistance.
I have the "history" but I am now "verifying" the history. It's been a long journey and there are family trees on sites that include my ancestors (in error) and there are names on NSW BDM that were transposed incorrectly such as Edward became Edwin, Clarice became Clarence.
I have the names and dates and places but as in Daniels case, I am trying to verify why he changed his name from BUDGE to BURGE and the jump ship story.
I have found a web site run by well known company that appears to have the info I need and I will pay for the details.
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I have the names and dates and places but as in Daniels case, I am trying to verify why he changed his name from BUDGE to BURGE and the jump ship story.
I have found a web site run by well known company that appears to have the info I need and I will pay for the details.
The NSW State Records Office currently has non exclusive partnership arrangements with at least two commercial web based family history organisations for SOME of their archives, but NOT all of their archives. However, the NSW SRO's are still free to search at their reading rooms, and their indexes are still online at this free to search link. http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/collection-search
I doubt if Daniel actually set about to alter the spelling of his surname from BUDGE to BURGE. To me this change in the spelling is most likely because he lived in an era where the literacy skills of the clerks was not a significant issue to their contemporaries, and where much was recorded in long hand. For example, the NSW BDM entries that you find online at their INDEX website .... well that index was basically commenced by volunteers transcribing the then OLD originals in the 1930s...
May I please ask what year do you notice the alteration from BUDGE to BURGE for your Daniel ?
Is that NOT his deceased estate in the name of Daniel BUDGE that I listed at reply #1
Cheers, JM
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Hi,
Here's some further info about a Daniel BUDGE.
I notice on the NSW BDM online index that a Daniel BUDGE was the son of a Daniel and Elizabeth Matilda. His death registration in 1937 shows as recorded in the Grenfell district. NSW BDM #7158.
The NSW SRO has the Probate Packet for a Daniel Budge with death of 11 June, 1937 and Probate Granted 29 July 1937. http://investigator.records.nsw.gov.au/
I speculate that the 1937 death is for a son of your Daniel BUDGE and his wife, Elizabeth Matilda RICHARDS whose 1841 marriage is indexed twice at NSW BDM.
I have not found at NSW BDM any entry under either BURGE or BUDGE for the likely NSW birth for that Daniel. However, that does not surprise me. Firstly, the NSW BDM was not established until the mid 1850s and secondly not all the Early Church Records were made available to the Registrar General’s office.
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/historyofRegistrysRec.htm
http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/guides-and-finding-aids/short-guide-4/short-guide-4
Here's the webpage to contact NSW SRO to ask if they have suggestions to find the crew list for that 1840 voyage....
http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/contact-us/contact-us
Cheers, JM
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There are some odd statements on the site that mum mum posted...
Elizabeth Matilda was actually born "Matilda Elizabeth Richards" in 1820 but "altered" details of her name and date of birth from 1820 to 1822 to enable her to transport to Australia as a Bounty Immigrant
What? ???
Debra :)
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I agree Dundee …. Plenty of Emigration records have differences in the ages of the passengers, and in the order of the given names. I doubt there was much difficulty for a lass born either 1820 or 1822 to have been approached by an Emigration Agent to come to New South Wales and to have willingly agreed to come.
I think the variations in the surname (Burge/Barge/Budge) are simply due to the usual transcription and literacy issues for that era, and similar thoughts re the given names for his wife, although she may well have been usually known by her middle name, as many were in those times.
I also think another odd comment is “Some of the children reverted back to the BUDGE name when it was time for them to marry”.
I think they used the surname BUDGE during their childhood, and they offered that surname to the clergy when marrying. I do continue to think it was simply wrongly recorded or wrongly transcribed, particularly at NSW BDM indexes prepared decades and decades after their births. All those records were written in longhand until the NSW BDM received its first typewriter in the early 20thC. So, back pre the typewriter the various clerks in any office (church or secular) recording the information had various literacy levels and may well have either misheard or misunderstood the surname due to either their own accents or to the accents of either Daniel or his wife. I think the 1861 birth of Alfred should list all the older living siblings, and that may help confirm some of the info at that website. (NSW BDM #10823, Alfred S, son of Daniel and Elizabeth M, registered Parramatta district).
I do realise that the 1870 NSW Electoral Roll for THE LACHLAN does have Daniel BURGE, along with a Daniel Burge junior, and a James Burge, and a William Burge all qualifying to enrol as residence Carregabal. The rolls were prepared by Police Magistrates at those times, and the Police District for that locality was FORBES.
When a clerk recorded a name in any ledger, even when the informant was present, it is, at least to me, significant to remember that the page faces the clerk, and thus is usually “upside down” to the informant. The longhand differences between Budge, Barge, Burge are thus not as obvious to the informant at the time the clerks are recording the information. If the informant’s literacy level is also taken into account, then it becomes apparent that no one was setting out to deceive or to hide behind a change in the surname or the given name/s. I think the “jump ship” story could be conjecture offered back several generations ago to offer an interesting and romantic story for the young children.
I note that there is just one death registration for 1888 that I have found that matches up to the comments on that website “Daniel died in November 1888 of Senility and Dementia, at Gladesville Asylum for the Insane in Sydney. He was admitted to the Asylum after becoming lost in the bush for 3 days in the Grenfell District. Daniel died after about 12 months in the Aslyum” It was registered at Ryde #8839. It seems to match up to the info I posted at reply # 1 re Probate for a Daniel BUDGE DD (date of death) 6 Nov 1888. The surname is BUDGE at the online index at NSW BDM.
Cheers, JM
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Ummm ??? I think the surname was BUDGE in the 1840s ....
From the historic records section of the website https://beta.familysearch.org/
William Bridge, born 11 May 1843, baptised 26 Nov 1843, at Hunter’s Hill, parents Daniel and Matilda
Mary Ann Budge born 25 June 1845, baptised 28 Sept 1845 at Hunter’s Hill, parents Daniel and Matilda
James Burge born 26 Jan 1848, baptised 16 Jul 1848 at Parramatta, parents Daniel and Matilda
George Thomas Burge born 11 Oct 1855, baptised 4 Nov 1855 at Parramatta, parents Daniel and Elizabeth Matilda
From NSW BDM online index
1843 William Budge, Vol 27A, line 3789, son of Daniel and Matilda
1845, Mary A Budge, Vol 30A, line 1174, dau of Daniel and Matilda
1848, James Burge, Vol 33A, line 8973, son of Daniel and Matilda
1855 George T Barge, Vol 42B, line 3469, son of Daniel and Elizabeth M
It would be interesting to see what the details are for that Vol 27A and the 1843 entries ….. Line 3789 should be for William BUDGE and line 3799 should be for William BRIDGE…. And both sets of parents recorded as Daniel and Matilda…...
Cheers, JM