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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Shropshire => Topic started by: Adnepos_Iacobi on Sunday 03 June 12 13:44 BST (UK)
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I am researching my Kyrke cousins in North Wales and have come across a connundrum.
Henry Kyrke SMITH (b 29 November 1851 Liverpool) was the youngest child of Edward SMITH and his wife Sarah MAY. With a name like Edward SMITH, I didn't give much to my chances but the 1851 census has him aged 51 years, a brewer in Liverpool but born Corfe Castle, Dorset. His age is confirmed by his age at the time of his death (and by his entry in the 1841 census).
But why give his youngest sone the name Kyrke?
Well the only lead I have is that there is a birth/christening (4 Feb 1809, 20 June 1809) at the Presbyterian Chapel, Wareham (close by Corfe Castle), Dorset of Edward son of Charles Roe SMITH. The link to the northwest is confirmed by Charles Roe SMITH clockmaker/gunmaker associated with an Edward SMITH both being in Bangor before Charles Roe SMITH emigrated to Philadelphia in the 1830s. In addtion, Edward's son Thomas May SMITH named a son Charles Roe SMITH.
Now Charles ROE (b 1715 Castleton Derbyshire) was an important industrialist based in Macclesfield who happened to be in business with my Kyrkes and whose grand-daughter married a Kyrke. The father of Charles ROE (industrialist) was Rev. Thomas ROE who was christened 8 Nov 1670 at Munslow.
The Dorset Roe family seems to start with the marriage of one Robert ROE to Elizabeth BROOKS 24 December 1704, at Corfe Castle.
So could there be a link between the Shropshire and the Dorset Roes, some time during the 18th century?
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Hi there
I have come across your post whilst researching the earlier family of Charles Roe, in particular his father the Reverend Thomas Roe of Castleton, Derbyshire. I know that he married 1698 in Macclesfield, Cheshire, with the record saying that they were both living in the parish. And another online biography suggested a 1670 birth. I had originally looked therefore in the radius of that area (there were 2 potentials in Whitchurch & Hanmer) but came across your note suggesting Thomas Roe was baptised 1670 in Munslow. Would you mind sharing the evidence that this is the right 1670 one? I would be very excited if it was!
My own Roe line is very elusive. I have a marriage in 1790 Ludford and can trace his wife's line back to the 1500s in Culmington, Shropshire - right next to Munslow. Having tracked about 30 potential birth's, I have whittled it down to 2, one of which was born Ditton Priors - again right next to Munslow! Ideally I need to find some DNA to compare :)
I know that my Roe's will be from Shropshire but it is so frustrating not to be able to get far back on my own name. I don't think there is an immediate connection to Rev Thomas Roe (unless in the very dim and distant past) but there is a long sentimental story behind my request.
Many thanks
Turia
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Hi Turia
My Roe family research was tangential to my research into the Kyrkes and I have not retained my material.
I remember reading Dorothy Bentley Smith's book on Charles Roe but do not think the baptism details of Rev Thomas Roe came from that book. If you are interested in Charles Roe, then you ought to read that book, not just the online material.
I wouldn't have cited 1670 baptism unless I was fairly satisfied it was right but at this point in time cannot stand by it. Apologies for not being able to help.
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Anything on Welsh newspapers?
Pop "roe smith" (include the " ") in Search -
https://newspapers.library.wales/
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Thank you both! Unfortunately I never got an alert that there had been a reply so I apologise for the delay. I have indeed tracked down the book on Charles Roe (Dorothy Bentley Smith). A wonderfully large book for the grand sum of £3. She has Charles's family line back to Wem at the turn of the 1600s (2 generations before the Munslow link) so I am satisfied that the family is Shropshire (and surrounds) in it's roots.
I like to think there will be a connection but likely a few generations even further back so DNA will be my only recourse but it makes that a route now worth taking :)
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How does Bentley Smith's book tie in with -
https://archive.org/details/bim_eighteenth-century_discourses-on-several-su_simpson-david_1789/page/420/mode/2up
See page 422