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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: Washy on Saturday 02 June 12 17:00 BST (UK)
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Hi Everyone can you help me sort this please. Have
Marriage 1899 Harriet E TOWNSEND Thomas TOWNSEND Lowton St. Luke's Wigan & Leigh
1879 TOWNSEND Harriet Elizabeth Lowton Wigan & Leigh URMSTON
Baptism: 14 Jan 1880 St Luke, Lowton, Lancashire, England
Harriet Elizabeth Townsend - [Child] of Alfred Townsend & Mary Ann
Born: 25 Dec 1879
Abode: Lowton
Occupation: Collier
Baptised by: R. Smith, Rec
Marriage 1876 TOWNSEND Alfred URMSTON Mary A Lowton St. Luke's Wigan & Leigh
1876 TOWNSEND Thomas Henry Lowton Wigan & Leigh URMSTON
1879 TOWNSEND Sarah Jane Lowton URMSTON Death 1880 TOWNSEND Sarah Jane 0 Lowton
1880 TOWNSEND Ada Louisa Lowton Wigan & Leigh URMSTON
1882 TOWNSEND Mary Ann Lowton Wigan & Leigh URMSTON
1881 census
Church Lane Lowton
Joseph TOWNSEND Head 42 1839 Northwood, Middlesex, England Ag Lab
Harriet TOWNSEND Wife 44 Cartsall, Middlesex, England Wife
Henry TOWNSEND Son 21 Cartsall, Middlesex, England Coal Miner
Julia TOWNSEND Female 16 Cartsall, Middlesex, England Cotton Reeler
Ada TOWNSEND 10 1871 Cartsall, Middlesex, England Scholar
Mary TOWNSEND Daur In Law 25 1856 Lowton, Lancashire, England Household Duties
Thomas TOWNSEND Grand Son 4 Lowton, Lancashire, England
John TOWNSEND Grand Son 3 Lowton, Lancashire, England
Harriet TOWNSEND Gran Daur 1 Lowton, Lancashire, England
Can seem to find census with Alfred & Mary & son Thomas I think is living with grandparents 1901 & has father as Joseph on his marriage.
Please help :)
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Can see Alfred in 1861 and 1871 but not after that, do you have him after 1871?? :-\ Do you have any of Mary A's other children's birth certs? just wondered if Alfred is named as the father, if he maybe deserted her??
Traced the families back and Harriet E seems to have married her dads cousin, is that what you've found?
Cat :)
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Washy,
Mary Ann appears to be living with her brothers Samuel & Peter Urmston in 1891 (in Lowton) along with 4 children John, Harriet, Louisa and Joseph. She is described as married but Alfred isn't there (or son Thomas).
In 1901 she is shown as head of the household at 5 Church Lane in Lowton with John, Ada Louisa and Joseph. She is still described as married but again no sign of Alfred. Thomas is, as you have described, with his grandparents.
This is the same address that is used by Thomas and Harriet Elizabeth at a later time so presumably the correct family.
In 1891 Thomas (son of Alfred and Mary Ann) is again with grandparents Joseph and Harriet.
I don't think therefore that you are going to find a census return with Thomas with either of his parents let alone both of them.
Alfred appears to be conspicuous by his absence on census nights. Presumably he was down the pit, or otherwise engaged.
PGR30
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Hi Thankyou for info
Thought I was going mad :)
Looks like Grandparents Joseph & Harriet brought up 2 of children Thomas H & Mary A they even put him as father on their marriages.
Cat was wondering if related somehow, only have 1881 census. don't have Alfred at all pls can I have the 1871 & 1861 please & how you worked out cousins :) Have info on Thomas Townsend Harriet Elizabeth Townsend husband.
Also did Joseph put the children down as grandchildren?
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PGR30 can I ask for the other detail of 1891 census have Mary & children info but not her brothers. Need age address occ born etc. :)
Thankyou Cat & PGR30 for helping me :)
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Washy,
1891 census details as follows:-
address: Newton Road, Lowton (no house number shown)
Joseph Townsend- head - 50 - Collier labourer - born Middlesex
Harriet Townsend - wife - 53 - born Middlesex
Ada Mary Townsend - Daughter - 20 - born Middlesex
Thomas Townsend - Grandson - 14 - General labourer - born Lowton
Mary Ann Townsend - Granddaughter - 9 - at school - born Lowton
As you can see described the children as grand-children.
I am new at this so hope the information is satisfactory.
PGR30
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1871 census
Marsh Green
Bradwall Cheshire,
RG10/3707
LODGING IN THE HOUSE OF Henry Boston
Joseph Townsend,aged 31 born Middlesex Northwood,married,hay cutter
Alfred Townsend,aged 11 born Eastgate Middlesex,also hay cutter
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1871 census
Fields End
Eastcote Ruislip
Middlesex
RG10/1310
Harriet Townsend,wife aged 33 born Eastcote
Henry aged 10
Julia aged 5
Sarah aged 2
Ada aged 3 months
all children born Eastcote
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Good Morning everyone, thankyou for information.
PGR30 thankyou didn't have all the info for them on 1891 census. So were put as grandchildren but obviously thought of them as parents to put their grandads name on marriages. Could I have Marys brothers info please Samuel & Peter.
Hi Radcliff thankyou for info, getting a little closer now. Talk abt "where's Wally" where's Alfred ;D
Have Thomas Townsend who married Harriet Elizabeth Towsend family at Farm Cottage Ruislip on 1871 census but at Fields end on 1861 census. This family 1861 Fields End
Thomas Townsend 1814 47 Agricultural Lab Ruislip
Mary A Townsend 1818 43 Ruislip
John Townsend 1847 14 Ruislip
Alfred Townsend 1849 12 Ruislip
Sarah Townsend 1852 9 Ruislip
David Townsend 1859 2 Ruislip
Kate Townsend 1860 10 months
Thomas is the son of John aged 14. I'm thinking Thomas senior 47 on this census maybe Joseph's uncle, what do you think? :)
Do you think eastgate should be Eastcote for Alfred?
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Can anyone find marriage for Joseph & Harriet, am I looking in wrong place? ???
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Blimey Joseph is Job! ;D
Marriage Jun qtr 1858 Job Townsend Harriet Moor Uxbridge .
So Thomas Townsend 47 on 1861 census is Thomas Townsend Grandfather & his wife Harriet Elizabeth Townsend Gt Grandfather. Her father was her husbands cousin.
see how cat worked it out ;D
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1861 Census
Field End Ruislip
Job TOWNSEND Head 20 Ag Lab Middlesex Ruislip
Harriet TOWNSEND Wife 23 Ag Lab Wife Middlesex Ruislip
Alfred TOWNSEND Son 2 Middlesex Ruislip
Henry TOWNSEND Son 3m Middlesex Ruislip ;D ;D ;D
Thanks everyone for help :)
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Glad you've got it sorted now, let us know if you need any of the other census lookups (1841/51 etc)
Cat :)
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This is probably the marriage of Thomas and Mary Ann -
June 1839 Uxbridge Vol 3 Page 266
Thomas Townsend
one of the brides is a Mary Anne Woodward
1851 -
Thomas Towns(h)end 36 Ag Lab All born Ruislip
Mary A 32 Chandler? Shop Keeper
Job 10 Scholar
Charlotte 7 Scholar
John 3
Alfred 1
Sarah 1mo
Catherine Woodward 15 sister in law visitor
High Road, Ruislip
HO107/1697 Folio 449 Page 29
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Another generation back?
1841
Sarah Townsend 60 No(t born in county)
Ann 30 Y
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Thomas Townsend 25 Ag Lab Y
Mary 20 Y
Job 1
Ruislip, Middlesex
HO107/656/13 Folio 25 Page 14
also earlier on the page is a John Townsend age ..5 (possibly 55?) a Farmer Not born in county, Maria 25 and Rebecca 14 (both born in county)
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Hi Cat, Thankyou I get there eventually ;D
Are you thinking John 55(5) is brother in law to Sarah?
Found this on free reg.
1861 Census Northwood
WOODWARD William Head 76 1785 Ag. Lab Hertfordshire - Sarratt
WOODWARD Jane Wife 66 Middlesex - Ruislip
WOODWARD Samuel Son 32 Ag. Lab Middlesex - Ruislip
WOODWARD Catherine Dau 26 Middlesex - Ruislip
TOWNSEND Jane Grndau - F 8 Scholar Middlesex - Ruislip
would love 1851/41 census for this family pls. :)
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Age a little out but may be worth looking as the name is unusual,
Job Townsend ,
death Prescot
birth 1851
death Jan 1905
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Hi Radcliff thankyou for looking have
Births 1840 Uxbridge Job Townsend, 1837 Uxbridge Harriet Moor
Marriage 1858 Job Townsend Harriet Moor Uxbridge
Burial: 4 Apr 1903 St Thomas, Golborne, Lancashire, England
Joseph Townsend -
Age: 62 Years
Abode: 32 Legh St Golborne
Buried by: T W Richardson Rector
Burial: 5 Sep 1901 St Thomas, Golborne, Lancashire, England
Harriett Townsend -
Age: 64 Years
Abode: Golborne
Buried by: T W Richardson Rector
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Yes I had noted both those burials yesterday,but I was quite sure you had found those,
it was the mention of Job that made me think he may be related ,
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I thought job may have been short for Joseph but then found his birth & I also found a birth for a Joseph that could have fit, it was only finding marriage & then 1861 census realized it was him, & he had changed his name :)
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1841
William Woodward 56? Ag lab N
Jane 40 Y
Jane 15 Y
Samuel 10 Y
John 9 Y
David 8 Y
Catherine 5 Y
William 3 Y
Thomas 14 Y
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John Gregory 75 Ag Lab
Northwood, Ruislip
HO107/656/13 Folio 23 Page 11
Regards
Cat :)
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Thankyou Cat appreciate it :)
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and 1851
William Woodward 68 Ag Lab Herts Sarratt?
Jane 55 Washer woman Ruislip
Samuel 21 Ag Lab Ruislip
David 16 Ag Lab "
William 14 Ag Lab "
Northwood, Ruislip, Middlesex
HO107/1697 Folio 426 Page 18
Regards
Cat :)
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Thankyou, age for Jane a bit better now. ;D
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Hi my maiden name is Bingham and we have Woodwards in our family tree, mostly around Barnsley and Bradford but other places too - any help?
Shirely
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Hi Shirley only have whats on this thread at the moment. :)