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Samuel John ROSEVEARE(b: Dec Qtr 1877in Par, Cornwall), believed to have married Mary Yardley ALCOCK and had a daughter Pamela after 1911. She married a Colin Terrell, probably in Australia.
Am unable to find this marriage or any ensuing family.
Any help much appreciated!
AllanR
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I have been doing some searching both n England and Australa and can't find a Colin T*r*l* in OZ There is a Colin Tyrell and many other Terells. Neither can I find the birth of a Pamela Ros*vear* mother's maiden name Allcock after 1911 in England.
Also lookng at the censuses Samuel Ros*vear* doesn't appear in 1901 although there is a John who is a labourer in a flour mill born Tywardreath, which would fit with him beng a baker's apprentice in 1891 born Tywardreath. This John is married to an Ethel though.
Do you have a record of Samuel John's marriage to a Mary Allcock and of Pamela's birth. Why do you say she was born after 1911?
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Marriage for John Rosevear and Ethel I found in 1901 which probably isn't your samuel.
Marriages Jun 1/4 1898
Ethel Kate Richards and John Rosevear Bodmin 5c 119
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Hi
Just googled Samuel J Rosevear and found this
Samuel John Rosevear born Yardley 1877. Parents: John Rosevear (1846-1929) and Mary Elizabeth Langmaid (1852-1893).
Married Mary Alcock (1879-?) and had Four Children.
ROSEVEAR Samuel John, died 10.10.1960 aged 83 years - passenger on board the 'Fairsea' sailing from Southampton, when he died from Paralysis Cardiac and was buried AT SEA.
First married at Par Cornwall. Second marriage at Fremantle at the age of 59 years to Edith Fanny FISEDEN. Children - Mabel, Florence, Edna, Albert, Leonard, Pamela, Edward and Nancy.
claire
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Another google
Samuel and Mary Yardley Alcock married 1903 New Zealand
Four Children
Nancy (b1905), Pamela, William and Edwin (b1919)
claire
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There is this in Western Australia:
ROSEVEAR
Samuel John
Male
83
Father John
Mother Mary E
Marine Fremantle
10
1960
http://www.bdm.dotag.wa.gov.au/_apps/pioneersindex/default.aspx
Leanne
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New Zealand, Electoral Rolls 1853-1981
1905/6 Timaru
Church street
Samuel John Rosevear Carpenter
Mary yardley Rosevear
marriage reg no 1903/337 Samuel John Rosevear and Mary Yardley Alcock.
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This is the last year he is showing as Samuel John. Mary Yardley isn't there
New Zealand, Electoral Rolls, 1853-1981
1928
Mount Pleasant, Sumner. Lyttleton Canterbury
Samuel John Rosevear Carpenter
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1911 both at Main Street Blenheim. Samuel a joiner
1914 Gisborne east Cape mary Yardley at Salisbury road Victoria Township. Samuel's address The beach
1919 There are two entries
Mary Yardley Rosevear 13 Norman road Gisborne married
Samuel John Freezing works Wairua Joiner
1919 Bay of Plenty Hineman Street Samuel John and Mary. He is a Builder.
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Border Crossings Canada to US 1895/1956
Samuel John Rosevear age 54 birthdate c 1878
Born Par England
Arrival Date -17 Jun 1932
Port of Arrival St Albans, Vermont US
Ship Niagara
Port of Departure Sydney, Australia
Race/Nationality Hebrew
occupation carpenter
He was issued with a temporary visa in Melbourne on 21 May 1932.
Last Permanent address Kew melbourne C/O Padbury's Undertakers(?)
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Marriages
1929/7883 Pamela Mary Rosevear to Colin Elma Terrill
1929/10742 Alberta Nancy Rosevear Cyril Albert Smith
Nancy's birth reg Alberta Nancy Rosevear
Mother Mary Yardley father Samuel John 1905/6139
No narriges showing for William and Edwin before the cutoff date of June 1832.
DEATH New Zealand
1927/1839 Mary Yardley Rosevear age 45
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May be worth following up on this.
Sheep visits- Terrill, Dr C E (Australian and New Zealand).
This undigitised document would have to be obtained from:
www.naa.gov.au
There is a cost involved.
Leanne
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What a wonderful surprise this am - many, many thanks to the various posters for the wealth of information.
To Leanne: What are sheep visits?
To Crisane: Did the marriages you quoted for Pamela and Alberta Nancy take place in NZ?
William John is supposed to have married a Myrtle (surname unknown)
Similarly, Edwin (believed to have been born 31 Aug 1919) married Peggy ?? in 1945.
I have no indication as to where these marriages took place, but now can I assume they were in NZ?
Samuel John is reputed to have married a 2nd time to an Ethel, again presumably in NZ?
Again, very big 'Thankyou'
AllanR
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This would be a guess.
But maybe sheep visits were livestock inspections.
Possibly he may have been involved in Veterinary or Agriculture employment.
Leanne
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Evidently, Dr C E Terrill became the Chief of the Sheep, Goat, and Fur Animal Research Centre of the US Department of Agriculture. He was a recognised authority in the 1970s on the subject of the cross-breeding of sheep in North America. He was based in Ohio (all from Googling his name).
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Yes the marriages for Pamela and Nancy were in NZ
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Hi
First married at Par Cornwall. Second marriage at Fremantle at the age of 59 years to Edith Fanny FISEDEN. Children - Mabel, Florence, Edna, Albert, Leonard, Pamela, Edward and Nancy.
claire
Claire found this second marriage and the names of children to both marriages. Just noticed there is no William in there.
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Hi
First married at Par Cornwall. Second marriage at Fremantle at the age of 59 years to Edith Fanny FISEDEN. Children - Mabel, Florence, Edna, Albert, Leonard, Pamela, Edward and Nancy.
claire
Claire found this second marriage and the names of children to both marriages. Just noticed there is no William in there.
A Leonard James Rosevear died in NZ 1975/32489 birthdate 14 October 1890 so a good while before the other children were born so possibly not yours but something to note. We don't know if leonard was son of first family or second.
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Thanks Crisane for your latest posts - is there any sign of Pamela & Colin Terrill in the NZ voters lists?
AllanR
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Yes they are on the Electoral Rolls and in 1949 there are a dozen or so Terrills in the same area.
I will start posting them
1935
Colin Elma Cheeses maker and Pamela May at Ararata Patea Taranaki
1938
Both at Patiki Road Pihama Taranaki Colin a surface man.
1946 Colin and Pamela same address as 1938 Colin still a surface man
Also Sydney Roy and Evelyn Terrill at Carrington Road He is a share milker
1946 Colin and Pamela Okoke Waikato Waitomo Colin a farmer
Also Ethel Margaret Kaipikari Road Urenui Spinster.
A second entry for Ethel M Main Road Kearuhe Spinster
I think there are two women with the same name. See later entry.
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I have sorted these by address. All with surname Terrill 1949 I don't know who is married to who.
Nikoroma Rd Waitara
Ada Avis Married.
Cecil Victor freezing worker.
Leo Edwin farmer
Motunui
Alfred Charles labourer.
Eva married
Ida Maud married.
John Victor Farmer
Okoke
Colin Elmer farmer.
Pamela may married
Tikorangi.
Elsie married.
Ivan George farmhand.
Margaret Danskin married.
Norma Olga spinster.
Norman victor labourer.
Thomas farm labourer.
Victor John farmhand.
Matapa Road Urenui
Thomas Norton labourer.
Ethel margaret married.
Ethel margaret Kaipikari Road Spinster.
Kaka Road Okoke
Leonard Thomas farmer.
Lilian Isabel married
Browne Street Waitara
Lucy married.
William Joseph Butcher
Mokau
Stanley George wharf labourer
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1954 Taranaki Stratford
Ada Avis Main North Road married.
Cecil Victor North Road Freezing hand
Motonui.
Alfred Charles labourer
Eva married.
Ida Maud married.
Omata.
Colin Elmer Hurford Rd farmer.
Bruce William Hurford Rd farmer.
Pamela Mary(on image) Hurford Rd married
Tikorangi.
Norma Olga spinster.
Norman Victor labourer.
Leo Edwin farmer.
Doreen Elsie Nikorama Road spinster
Ivan George farmhand.
Elsie married.
Waitara
Emma 2 Princess Street Married
John Victor Domett Street retired
Margert Domett Street married
Lucy Browne Street married. William Joseph Butcher
Thelma Mary Mouati Street married
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Colin and Pamela are on the 1981 electoral Roll in New Plymouth. He is retired. There are a lot of new Terrill names. The 1981 roll is the last one onlne for NZ.
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New Plymouth Cemetery Website:
TERRILL
Colin Elmer
47 Barrett Street
76 Years
13 Jan 1985
Burial
Cemetery:TE HENUI
Location in Cemetery:1972 Cremation Extn. Cremation Area Plot 341
TERRILL
Pamela Mary
47a Barrett Street,NP
81 Years
6 Sep 1991
Burial
Cemetery:TE HENUI
Location in Cemetery:1972 Cremation Extn. Cremation Area Plot 341
Many other TERRILLS on the Index.
http://www.newplymouthnz.com/CouncilAtoZ/CemeteriesAndCrematorium/CemeterySearch.htm
Leanne
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Again, many thanks to both Leanne & Crisane - you have been most generous with your time!
Crisane: Bruce William Terrill is a son of Pamela & Colin. Others that have been mentioned are John and Paul together with a sister Jean. As these may still be living I suppose we can't take it any further :(
AllanR
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Hi
I will send you a pm with some info but it will be later today.
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Interesting!
On my blog, I have a picture of Mary and Samuel Roseveare with their 2 oldest children:
www.johnalcock1888.blogspot.gr/2012/01/mary-alcock-photo.html
Are you a descendent of theirs? Mary was the oldest child of my great grandfather John Alcock.
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Hi Grandson,
Thanks for your post and lovely to get a photo from this branch of the family.
I am descended from a different branch of the Roseveares - although most come from the area around Luxulyan, Cornwall.
Could you send me a private email and then I can let you have the descendants of Samuel and Mary Yardley Alcock.
Best wishes,
AllanR