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Title: Place name in Bedfordshire
Post by: Carole4 on Thursday 31 May 12 18:04 BST (UK)
Does anyone know where this name is referring to?
It was in the 1901 census for
Charles Stock, he is recorded as being born in
1860 Coal Cokemmas, Bedfordshire.

He died 1903 so I didn't get another chance to
see his birthplace. In 1891 census he is recorded as
being born in Raunds, but that has not led to anything.

Thanks, Carole
Title: Re: Place name in Bedfordshire
Post by: sillgen on Thursday 31 May 12 18:20 BST (UK)
Do you have his marriage certificate to give a father's name and then look in earlier census years?
Andrea
Title: Re: Place name in Bedfordshire
Post by: carol8353 on Thursday 31 May 12 18:20 BST (UK)
Have you got his marriage cert- if so who is his dad?

Marriages Sep 1880  
 
ABBOT  Dinah    Thrapston  3b 337    
Stock  Charles     Thrapston  3b 337  

Carol  

SNAP Andrea  ;D

Title: Re: Place name in Bedfordshire
Post by: mazbonks on Thursday 31 May 12 20:10 BST (UK)
Carole, That's not a place I have ever heard of.    The Bedfordshire and Luton Archives and Record Service (BLARS) hold the parish registers for the Bedford Area and having a quick look down the list there is a place called

Cockayne Hatley
which would probably be pronounced locally as Cockayne atley, which is about as near as I can get to a suggestion of a 'misheard' placename.

There is a Charles Stock registered in March 1861 Volume 3b Page 299 District of  Bedford on www.freebmd.org.uk which seems like a possibility, perhaps sending for the birth cert might solve the problem.
Title: Re: Place name in Bedfordshire
Post by: bedfordshire boy on Thursday 31 May 12 21:11 BST (UK)
The 1861 birth registration may be the birth in Turvey of Charles Clement Stock, who can be traced in censuses and who isn't the one in Raunds. A safer bet would be the marriage cert as suggested by Carol.

His census ages varied - there's another Bedford registration in the Sept quarter 1858 which could equally be him, assuming of course that he was born in Bedford registration district, which is by no means certain

There's a Cold Brayfield just outside Turvey (but it's not that) so the first word might be Cold. I've been through my list of Beds parishes and hamlets and absolutely nothing looks anything remotely like Cokkemas

David
Title: Re: Place name in Bedfordshire
Post by: carol8353 on Thursday 31 May 12 21:17 BST (UK)
I wondered about Colworth.....near Sharnbrook,as it's in north beds not far from the Northants border.But the second part of the word seems to be Thomas?

Carol

Family Search)IGI) do have a Colmworth bapts but in 1869........no age given though.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NBGH-6W5
Title: Re: Place name in Bedfordshire
Post by: seahall on Thursday 31 May 12 23:21 BST (UK)
HI All.

The Marriage Index web page below has the marriage as Raunds.

http://www.rootschat.com/links/0lx0/

You contact the owner and he can supply further details.

Or I could look at the marriage soon.

Sandy
Title: Re: Place name in Bedfordshire
Post by: [Ray] on Friday 01 June 12 07:04 BST (UK)
Hi

My version is

Cold Christmas 

(and yes I know that it is Hertfordshire, North of Ware)


Ray
Title: Re: Place name in Bedfordshire
Post by: carol8353 on Friday 01 June 12 07:23 BST (UK)
HI All.

The Marriage Index web page below has the marriage as Raunds.

http://www.rootschat.com/links/0lx0/

You contact the owner and he can supply further details.

Or I could look at the marriage soon.

Sandy

That's a useful website Sandy to know about  ;D

Carol
Title: Re: Place name in Bedfordshire
Post by: carol8353 on Friday 01 June 12 07:28 BST (UK)
The 1869 one that I found earlier is the son of John and Mary and is still at home with mum and dad in 1891........so it ain't him  ::)

There is another Charles Stock b 1858 in Colmworth who in 1861 (RG 9/936 Folio 17 Page 34) is in Northampton with his parents William and Elizabeth....aged 2  ;D
Title: Re: Place name in Bedfordshire
Post by: Milliepede on Friday 01 June 12 10:39 BST (UK)
Have you found him in 1881 just after he married?  I can't find them.
Title: Re: Place name in Bedfordshire
Post by: carol8353 on Friday 01 June 12 11:21 BST (UK)
Have you found him in 1881 just after he married?  I can't find them.

Nor me  :(

Have tried for any Dinah b abt 1862 ish,but still nowt!
Title: Re: Place name in Bedfordshire
Post by: seahall on Friday 01 June 12 12:35 BST (UK)
Hi again.

It is good isn't it Carol.  :)

Marriage details
Raunds

Pg 77. No. 153
Septr 24 1880

Charles Stock, 23, Bachelor, Labourer, Raunds, father William, Labourer to
Dinah Abbot, 21, Spinster, Raunds, Father John, Labourer

Both signed with their mark.

Witnesses: Joseph Bird and Sarah Abbot (who signed her name with her mark).

Sandy
Title: Re: Place name in Bedfordshire
Post by: carol8353 on Friday 01 June 12 12:47 BST (UK)
There is another Charles Stock b 1858 in Colmworth who in 1861 (RG 9/936 Folio 17 Page 34) is in Northampton with his parents William and Elizabeth....aged 2  ;D

So this one with a father called William is looking good  ;D

Births Sep 1858   
 
Charles STOCK in    Bedford  ref  3b 297
Title: Re: Place name in Bedfordshire
Post by: Carole4 on Friday 01 June 12 13:59 BST (UK)
A big Thank You to everyone for their help.
This has been frustrating me for a long while.
and all I had to do was ask for help & you all have solved it!!

Carole
Title: Re: Place name in Bedfordshire
Post by: [Ray] on Friday 01 June 12 14:07 BST (UK)
Hi

1881? Did anyone find them in 1881?

Both Florrie and Lizzie in 2 different census returns say that they were born in Lincoln. So did Charles/Dinah go to "Lincoln" from 1880/1 for the following handful of years?

Ray
Title: Re: Place name in Bedfordshire
Post by: carol8353 on Friday 01 June 12 14:08 BST (UK)
Well we haven't exactly solved it,cos I can't find the family on any other census  ::)
Title: Re: Place name in Bedfordshire
Post by: [Ray] on Friday 01 June 12 14:09 BST (UK)
Hi

1891 RG12 1221 51 P38 Chelveston cum Caldecott (Thrapstone)
Charles 34 Raunds
Dinah 29 Caldecott as are the kids
Sarah 7
Eliz 5
Florrie 3
Ethel 10mo

1901 RG13 1441 104 P10 Rushden
Charles 40   Coal Cokemmas
Dinah 38 Raunds
Ellen 17 Chelveston
Lizzie 15 Long End, Lincolnshire
Ethel 11 Chelveston
Edith 7 Chelveston
Annie 3 Chelveston
Charles W 8mo Rushden
 
A total of 8 kids

I cannot post 1911 but search for Dina 51 living Rushden

Ray
 
Title: Re: Place name in Bedfordshire
Post by: carol8353 on Friday 01 June 12 14:54 BST (UK)
Ray they are the ones the OP already has,that's what made her think it said Coal Cokemas in the first place.

It's Charles as a child and in 1881 I am having trouble with,apart from 1861 as I said earlier. Can't find him with parents William(a labourer) and Elizabeth on any other census.

Carol
Title: Re: Place name in Bedfordshire
Post by: carol8353 on Friday 01 June 12 15:23 BST (UK)
RG 9/936 Folio 17 Page 34

1861 at 23 Albert Street Northampton

William Stock head 33 labourer b Colmworth Beds
Elizabeth Stock wife 25 b Duldo? Beds
Charles Stock son 2 b Colmworth Beds

But where are they on any other census?

Can't see an obvious marriage for the parents either.

Carol
Title: Re: Place name in Bedfordshire
Post by: Galium on Friday 01 June 12 15:44 BST (UK)
Elizabeth Stock's birthplace is probably Duloe, which is in St Neots district.

There is a possible marriage in 1854, which is on the Escan website:

http://www.rootschat.com/links/0n39/

William's father's name is Charles.
Title: Re: Place name in Bedfordshire
Post by: Carole4 on Friday 01 June 12 16:03 BST (UK)
Now you can understand the frustration with this group!
I haven't found then in 1881 either, but one daughter was born 1886 in lincolnshire so maybe they were in transition??

Carole
Title: Re: Place name in Bedfordshire
Post by: seahall on Friday 01 June 12 16:04 BST (UK)
Also if you look at the Rushden web site here and just
search the site for Stocks you will find a lot of information
about the family.

http://www.rushdenheritage.co.uk/main-index.html


Sandy
Title: Re: Place name in Bedfordshire
Post by: [Ray] on Friday 01 June 12 16:29 BST (UK)
Hi

The reason I published the census records because at some poiint they "must have been" in Lincolnshire . . . . . where the children may have been born.

So shall we look around the town names in Lincolnshire?

OK, I'll do it.  :)

Ray