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Title: Friedrich Wilhelm LEHMANN b. abt 1879 South Australia
Post by: kennett on Thursday 31 May 12 13:49 BST (UK)
I am interested in Friedrich Wilhelm Lehmann who was the husband of my great-grandmother sister, Elsie New,  and specifically where and when he died.

Friedrich was married to Elsie in NSW in 1911,   and he was described as a widower, aged 32,  indicating her was born around 1879.   He was born at Edinburg (  probably actually Edithburg ) South Australia.

I was told that Elsie died in 1978 although she actually appears to have died in 1971.  The NSW BDM death registration index entry would appear to have the wrong names for her parents for some unknown reason.

Friedrich's name appears in some records as either Lehmann or Lehman  and sometimes as Frederick William Lehmann.

I can't find any record of his death anywhere.




Title: Re: Friedrich Wilhelm Lehmann b. abt 1879 South Australia
Post by: ~MERLIN~ on Thursday 31 May 12 14:46 BST (UK)
Birth:

LEHMANN William Fredrick b. 6/6/1878
Father: William LEHMANN
Mother: Louisa Mary SCOTT
Birth Place: Edithburgh; District Code: Dal; Book: 204; Page: 159




Title: Re: Friedrich Wilhelm Lehmann b. abt 1879 South Australia
Post by: ~MERLIN~ on Thursday 31 May 12 15:18 BST (UK)
LEHMANN Elsie May age 77yrs d. 15/09/1971 late of Crows Nest   
Sydney Morning Herald 18/09/1971   

Title: Re: Friedrich Wilhelm Lehmann b. abt 1879 South Australia
Post by: kennett on Thursday 31 May 12 15:37 BST (UK)
Thats probably the one.   She was born at the Sydney Benevolent Asylum in January of 1893.  Her mother's name was Elizabeth.    The actual identity of her father is somewhat uncertain,   Elizabeth was married but may have been separated for quite some time.

I have her 1911 marriage certificate to Friedrich Lehmann,   I've haven't got the 1971 death certificate yet because the index claims her parents names were Donald and Marian,  which is either wrong or it is a different person.   Also,  her grandson insists that she passed away in 1977 or 1978.

Elizabeth died on 5th April 1931,  Elsie Lehmann put the ad in the paper inviting her friends to the funeral.  The death certificate says Elsie was an only child although Elizabeth had seven children of whom 4 were still living long after 1931.
Title: Re: Friedrich Wilhelm Lehmann b. abt 1879 South Australia
Post by: kennett on Thursday 31 May 12 15:40 BST (UK)
Hmm interesting,   so that is the right one then,  because I know the names of at least some of her children.   It doesn't mention her husband at all.

So the puzzle remains,  what happened to her husband ?
Title: Re: Friedrich Wilhelm Lehmann b. abt 1879 South Australia
Post by: ~MERLIN~ on Thursday 31 May 12 15:47 BST (UK)
Do you know what her husband's occupation was?

It should be on their marriage certificate.
Title: Re: Friedrich Wilhelm Lehmann b. abt 1879 South Australia
Post by: kennett on Thursday 31 May 12 15:51 BST (UK)
Details from the 1911 marriage certificate:

Friedrich Wilhelm Lehmann, labourer, of Cootamundra, widower and Elsie May New, dressmaker, of Cootamundra, spinster.  Married 29 August 1911 at the Municipality of Murrumburrah, at the Manse (Presbyterian).  The consent of Henry New, father of the bride, was given in writing to the marriage. Groom 32, born Edinburgh (?) South Australia, parents Wilhelm Lehmann and Marie Louise Scott, father's occupation farmer.  Wife born Sydney NSW, aged 18, parents Henry New (labourer) and Elizabeth Nichols.  Signed Frederick W Lehmann (crossed out and overwritten Friedrich ) and Elsie May New, Minister William Powell, witnesses Mary E Powell and Elizabeth New.
Title: Re: Friedrich Wilhelm Lehmann b. abt 1879 South Australia
Post by: kennett on Thursday 31 May 12 15:56 BST (UK)
It would appear that their eldest son Alex was born in 1910 at Gundagai  and his birth appears to have been registered under the name of New,   although he later went by the name Alex Lehmann.

I've also found about 4 different apparent addresses for this family all within a very small radius of Crows Nest in Sydney in the 1920s period.

I have never been able to find any death for this Friedrich Lehmann   and I could not find any first marriage for him either,   although I probably didnt search exhaustively for it,  its a bit peripheral to my connection.
Title: Re: Friedrich Wilhelm Lehmann b. abt 1879 South Australia
Post by: Dundee on Thursday 31 May 12 16:25 BST (UK)
Alexander's birth was registered again in 1924 as LEHMANN.  He disappears from the NSW electoral rolls after 1937.

Walter and another son served in WW2.  Unfortunately their service records are not digitised at the NAA; they often have correspondence as to why the father is not named as next of kin.

http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/script/name.asp#searchtabs  (LEHMAN)

Debra  :)
Title: Re: Friedrich Wilhelm Lehmann b. abt 1879 South Australia
Post by: Dundee on Thursday 31 May 12 16:34 BST (UK)
Oh dear  ;D

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/49543569?searchTerm=ALEXANDER%20LEHMANN&searchLimits=

Debra  :)
Title: Re: Friedrich Wilhelm Lehmann b. abt 1879 South Australia
Post by: kennett on Thursday 31 May 12 17:06 BST (UK)
Interesting !   Its a bit curious the judge gave the second wife a divorce   when the marriage was invalid in the first place.
His great-grandfather was in Bathurst Gaol, too.
Title: Re: Friedrich Wilhelm LEHMANN b. abt 1879 South Australia
Post by: Domas on Saturday 24 November 12 00:08 GMT (UK)
I believe that Friedrich William Lehmann died on 6th June 1953 at Nazareth House in East Camberwell, Victoria.

That isn't obvious from the death certificate and so let me explain. 

His name is simply given as William Lehmann on the death certificate.  I have a photo that came from the home of the sister of his mother (Marie Louise Lehmann), and on the back is written "Love from Will Lehmann To Auntie Martha".  To at least some of his family then, he was known by his William/Wilhelm forename rather than Friedrich/Frederick.

The death certificate records his mother's name as Katie Lehmann nee Scott rather than Marie Louise.  By then it was some 70 years since she had died and so I think the family (or whoever provided the information) should be given some latitude in recalling her forename.

Lastly his wife is identified on the death certificate as Milly Domasking and this is where it gets a little complicated.  It goes back to the marriage of Friedrich Wilhelm Lehmann and Anna Emilie Domaschenz in Jeparit, Victoria in 1905.  When his wife died, she was identified in the Horsham Times (page 4, 10 November 1908) as "Anna Emilie (Millie) Lehmann, wife of Mr F.W. Lehmann".  Friedrich Wilhelm himself is recorded on the marriage certificate as age 26, born in Edithbourgh, South Australia and the son of Wilhelm Lehmann and Marie Louise Lehmann nee Scott. 

Even though Elsie New doesn't rate a mention, put together these certificates and the newspaper article identify more or less the same birth place, birth date and parental names as his latter marriage cetificate and it shows him as a widower in 1908.


 
Title: Re: Friedrich Wilhelm LEHMANN b. abt 1879 South Australia
Post by: kennett on Sunday 08 December 13 13:03 GMT (UK)
That's really interesting,  and raises some interesting new questions.  Thanks for that !
Title: Re: Friedrich Wilhelm LEHMANN b. abt 1879 South Australia
Post by: sparrett on Monday 09 December 13 07:11 GMT (UK)
Hi Domas,

Some information which may be of interest to you :)

Alexander's birth was registered again in 1924 as LEHMANN.  He disappears from the NSW electoral rolls after 1937.

Walter and another son served in WW2.  Unfortunately their service records are not digitised at the NAA; they often have correspondence as to why the father is not named as next of kin.

http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/script/name.asp#searchtabs  (LEHMAN)

Debra  :)

Alexander,  died in Victoria

LEHMAN Alex Raymond Chas
Father  Lehman Wm Fredk
Mother  Elsie May  NEW
At FROY
Age  35
Year  1945
Reg   11920


One of the births to Frederich William LEHMANN and his wife was this-

LEHMANN   Dorothey Elizabeth
Father Freidrich Wilhelm
Mother Anna Emilie DOMASCHENZ
Birth Place  JEPARIT
Year  1906
Reg.   27543

Dorothy appears on the Victorian Electoral Roll-
l
1931
Address- Jeparit
LEHMANN, Dorothy Elizabeth. HD
No others of that surname are with her.

1936
Address- Jeparit
LEHMANN, Dorothy Elizabeth. HD
LEHMANN, William. Labourer

1937
As above


Here is her death

LEHMANN Dorothy Elizabet
Father Frederick Wi
Mother  Emily Ann  DOMASCHENZ
Death Place  JEPA
Age   68
Year  1975
Reg   1911

Sue
Title: Re: Friedrich Wilhelm LEHMANN b. abt 1879 South Australia
Post by: Domas on Friday 03 January 14 07:14 GMT (UK)
Hmmm. Yes, that is interesting.  Thanks for that.
Title: Re: Friedrich Wilhelm LEHMANN b. abt 1879 South Australia
Post by: cando on Friday 03 January 14 10:13 GMT (UK)
Quote
  It goes back to the marriage of Friedrich Wilhelm Lehmann and Anna Emilie Domaschenz in Jeparit, Victoria in 1905.  When his wife died, she was identified in the Horsham Times (page 4, 10 November 1908) as "Anna Emilie (Millie) Lehmann, wife of Mr F.W. Lehmann".
Cemetery information with photo of headstone
http://www.familienarchiv-papsdorf.de/pgv/individual.php?pid=I108&ged=jeparit.ged

Perhaps Kennett may like to have Frederick William's place of burial.  I thought he would have had more questions about the death certificate.

LEHMANN William 75 years, was interred at Area K of the Keilor Cemetery on 10 Jun 1953.

If Domas makes one more post then Kennett will be able to communicate by pm  ;)

Cheers  :)
Cando