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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: kennett on Thursday 31 May 12 13:49 BST (UK)
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I am interested in Friedrich Wilhelm Lehmann who was the husband of my great-grandmother sister, Elsie New, and specifically where and when he died.
Friedrich was married to Elsie in NSW in 1911, and he was described as a widower, aged 32, indicating her was born around 1879. He was born at Edinburg ( probably actually Edithburg ) South Australia.
I was told that Elsie died in 1978 although she actually appears to have died in 1971. The NSW BDM death registration index entry would appear to have the wrong names for her parents for some unknown reason.
Friedrich's name appears in some records as either Lehmann or Lehman and sometimes as Frederick William Lehmann.
I can't find any record of his death anywhere.
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Birth:
LEHMANN William Fredrick b. 6/6/1878
Father: William LEHMANN
Mother: Louisa Mary SCOTT
Birth Place: Edithburgh; District Code: Dal; Book: 204; Page: 159
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LEHMANN Elsie May age 77yrs d. 15/09/1971 late of Crows Nest
Sydney Morning Herald 18/09/1971
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Thats probably the one. She was born at the Sydney Benevolent Asylum in January of 1893. Her mother's name was Elizabeth. The actual identity of her father is somewhat uncertain, Elizabeth was married but may have been separated for quite some time.
I have her 1911 marriage certificate to Friedrich Lehmann, I've haven't got the 1971 death certificate yet because the index claims her parents names were Donald and Marian, which is either wrong or it is a different person. Also, her grandson insists that she passed away in 1977 or 1978.
Elizabeth died on 5th April 1931, Elsie Lehmann put the ad in the paper inviting her friends to the funeral. The death certificate says Elsie was an only child although Elizabeth had seven children of whom 4 were still living long after 1931.
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Hmm interesting, so that is the right one then, because I know the names of at least some of her children. It doesn't mention her husband at all.
So the puzzle remains, what happened to her husband ?
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Do you know what her husband's occupation was?
It should be on their marriage certificate.
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Details from the 1911 marriage certificate:
Friedrich Wilhelm Lehmann, labourer, of Cootamundra, widower and Elsie May New, dressmaker, of Cootamundra, spinster. Married 29 August 1911 at the Municipality of Murrumburrah, at the Manse (Presbyterian). The consent of Henry New, father of the bride, was given in writing to the marriage. Groom 32, born Edinburgh (?) South Australia, parents Wilhelm Lehmann and Marie Louise Scott, father's occupation farmer. Wife born Sydney NSW, aged 18, parents Henry New (labourer) and Elizabeth Nichols. Signed Frederick W Lehmann (crossed out and overwritten Friedrich ) and Elsie May New, Minister William Powell, witnesses Mary E Powell and Elizabeth New.
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It would appear that their eldest son Alex was born in 1910 at Gundagai and his birth appears to have been registered under the name of New, although he later went by the name Alex Lehmann.
I've also found about 4 different apparent addresses for this family all within a very small radius of Crows Nest in Sydney in the 1920s period.
I have never been able to find any death for this Friedrich Lehmann and I could not find any first marriage for him either, although I probably didnt search exhaustively for it, its a bit peripheral to my connection.
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Alexander's birth was registered again in 1924 as LEHMANN. He disappears from the NSW electoral rolls after 1937.
Walter and another son served in WW2. Unfortunately their service records are not digitised at the NAA; they often have correspondence as to why the father is not named as next of kin.
http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/script/name.asp#searchtabs (LEHMAN)
Debra :)
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Oh dear ;D
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/49543569?searchTerm=ALEXANDER%20LEHMANN&searchLimits=
Debra :)
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Interesting ! Its a bit curious the judge gave the second wife a divorce when the marriage was invalid in the first place.
His great-grandfather was in Bathurst Gaol, too.
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I believe that Friedrich William Lehmann died on 6th June 1953 at Nazareth House in East Camberwell, Victoria.
That isn't obvious from the death certificate and so let me explain.
His name is simply given as William Lehmann on the death certificate. I have a photo that came from the home of the sister of his mother (Marie Louise Lehmann), and on the back is written "Love from Will Lehmann To Auntie Martha". To at least some of his family then, he was known by his William/Wilhelm forename rather than Friedrich/Frederick.
The death certificate records his mother's name as Katie Lehmann nee Scott rather than Marie Louise. By then it was some 70 years since she had died and so I think the family (or whoever provided the information) should be given some latitude in recalling her forename.
Lastly his wife is identified on the death certificate as Milly Domasking and this is where it gets a little complicated. It goes back to the marriage of Friedrich Wilhelm Lehmann and Anna Emilie Domaschenz in Jeparit, Victoria in 1905. When his wife died, she was identified in the Horsham Times (page 4, 10 November 1908) as "Anna Emilie (Millie) Lehmann, wife of Mr F.W. Lehmann". Friedrich Wilhelm himself is recorded on the marriage certificate as age 26, born in Edithbourgh, South Australia and the son of Wilhelm Lehmann and Marie Louise Lehmann nee Scott.
Even though Elsie New doesn't rate a mention, put together these certificates and the newspaper article identify more or less the same birth place, birth date and parental names as his latter marriage cetificate and it shows him as a widower in 1908.
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That's really interesting, and raises some interesting new questions. Thanks for that !
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Hi Domas,
Some information which may be of interest to you :)
Alexander's birth was registered again in 1924 as LEHMANN. He disappears from the NSW electoral rolls after 1937.
Walter and another son served in WW2. Unfortunately their service records are not digitised at the NAA; they often have correspondence as to why the father is not named as next of kin.
http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/script/name.asp#searchtabs (LEHMAN)
Debra :)
Alexander, died in Victoria
LEHMAN Alex Raymond Chas
Father Lehman Wm Fredk
Mother Elsie May NEW
At FROY
Age 35
Year 1945
Reg 11920
One of the births to Frederich William LEHMANN and his wife was this-
LEHMANN Dorothey Elizabeth
Father Freidrich Wilhelm
Mother Anna Emilie DOMASCHENZ
Birth Place JEPARIT
Year 1906
Reg. 27543
Dorothy appears on the Victorian Electoral Roll-
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1931
Address- Jeparit
LEHMANN, Dorothy Elizabeth. HD
No others of that surname are with her.
1936
Address- Jeparit
LEHMANN, Dorothy Elizabeth. HD
LEHMANN, William. Labourer
1937
As above
Here is her death
LEHMANN Dorothy Elizabet
Father Frederick Wi
Mother Emily Ann DOMASCHENZ
Death Place JEPA
Age 68
Year 1975
Reg 1911
Sue
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Hmmm. Yes, that is interesting. Thanks for that.
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It goes back to the marriage of Friedrich Wilhelm Lehmann and Anna Emilie Domaschenz in Jeparit, Victoria in 1905. When his wife died, she was identified in the Horsham Times (page 4, 10 November 1908) as "Anna Emilie (Millie) Lehmann, wife of Mr F.W. Lehmann".
Cemetery information with photo of headstone
http://www.familienarchiv-papsdorf.de/pgv/individual.php?pid=I108&ged=jeparit.ged
Perhaps Kennett may like to have Frederick William's place of burial. I thought he would have had more questions about the death certificate.
LEHMANN William 75 years, was interred at Area K of the Keilor Cemetery on 10 Jun 1953.
If Domas makes one more post then Kennett will be able to communicate by pm ;)
Cheers :)
Cando