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Would someone please see if they can find a record for my GGG Grandmother Nancy Osborne (nee Sproule).
Not sure of a birth date but probably somewhere between 1790 and 1800 in I
She may have come to Australia from Nth. Ireland around mid 1850's and to Victoria or NSW. I don't know if she died in Australia or returned to Nth. Ireland. I think if she came to Australia she probably stayed and died here. Her husband was Joseph Osborne and he died back in Ireland.
A wild guess could be around Burrier NSW but it is only a guess. Family rumour said Victoria.
Any help here is appreciated.
Thanks.
Glenys
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HI
NSW online records http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/
no Nancy but a couple of Ann/Annes
Robyn
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Hi
What documents do you have which give you her name? You seem to know very little about her, sho were her children, when did they arrive here and did they marry and die here?
For instance her daughters marriage certificates may have her signature if they married under 21, and you would know that she was still alive then. If she was widowed it is likely that she remarried, even if she was older.
mum mum
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Glenys has a couple of threads on this family which might help:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,600195.0.html
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,557435.0.html
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Hi,
The only thing of relevance to Nancy in those posts seems to be this mention of her daughter.
Ellen Jane Osborne was born abt 1818 in Inneskillen and her parents were Joshua Osborne and Nancy Sproule.
On 9 Oct 1840 in Limavady Ellen Jane Ferguson (nee Osborne) married Henry Montgomery who was born abt 1820 in Balteagh and his Parents were James Montgomery and his Mother Mary ?
In April 1841 they travelled on the 'James Matheson' to Australia and settled in the State of New South Wales. Edward Augustus Ferguson who was 3 did not immigrate with them to Australia. Someone must have reared him back in Ireland, probably Limavady. Ellen & Henry had another 12 children in Australia. Ellen died in 1896.
Still wowndering what evidence supports Nancy being in Australia at all??
mum mum
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There is no positive evidence that Nancy was is Australia but written down in the family history way back it states that Edward Augustus Ferguson came to Australia with his Grandmother. Now both the Grandparents on the Ferguson side were dead. One dying in 1830 and the other in 1839. That can only leave Nancy Osborne alive. We know Joshua Osborne died in Ireland. As we cannot find shipping records all I have to go by is to search for a death in Australia if one exists.
As always I appreciate your help.
Glenys
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Hi
To find when Nancy arrived with Edward Augustus FERGUSON you could look for his arrival... You have his dc as per other earlier threads searching for various items about him. When and where did he arrive? ...
Cheers JM
There is no positive evidence that Nancy was is Australia but written down in the family history way back it states that Edward Augustus Ferguson came to Australia with his Grandmother. Now both the Grandparents on the Ferguson side were dead. One dying in 1830 and the other in 1839. That can only leave Nancy Osborne alive. We know Joshua Osborne died in Ireland. As we cannot find shipping records all I have to go by is to search for a death in Australia if one exists.
As always I appreciate your help.
Glenys
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For decades we have tried to find Edward's arrival but no luck. The death certificate takes us back to 1862 in Qld. and that is where we start to find information on him in Australia but never an immigration record. His mother was never with him in Queensland. I think the two of them were probably in Victoria or NSW and then Edward went to Queensland.
I think I will send a look up to Ireland and see if they can locate a death record for Nancy Osborne.
Thank you.
Glenys
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Hi there,
I have just posted on Princess41's thread http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,600195.0.html as I am confused as to some of the info about Nancy OSBORNE nee SPROULE's daughter (Ellen Jane MONTGOMERY formerly FERGUSON nee OSBOURNE).
Cheers, JM
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JM
Nice find on that 1896 death registration For Ellen J Montgomery parents Joseph and Nancy #10934/1896
Would most likely be worth Glenys ordering a transcription of that one.
Robyn
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I think Merlin found that 1896 dc after Jamjar found the 1894 burial :) I found the 1888 dc for an Ellen Montgomery registered in the East Macquarie district.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,600198.0.html
I cannot find Nancy OSBORNE arriving in Australia with or without her possible grandson, Edward Augustus FERGUSON.....
Cheers, JM
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NSW Government Gazette number 466 of Wednesday 13 Nov 1839 has an unclaimed letter for an Ann OSBORNE received during the months of October 1839 and held as at 1 Nov 1839 at the Sydney GPO.
The NSW Govt Gazette up to 1839 is free to search via RChat’s VIC Resources Board :
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,369963.0.html
Government Gazettes
http://gazette.slv.vic.gov.au/
Of course there’s NO way to tell from that listing IF that Ann OSBORNE could be Nancy OSBORNE nee Sproule.
I wonder if there's resources at the National Library of Australia in CANBERRA that may have further clues as to IF and/or WHEN Nancy was in Australia? I mention this as Princess41's profile shows she is located in Canberra.
Cheers, JM
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Hi everyone and thanks for your posts.
I can tell you what I have records for that have been researched and verified and I have reference numbers.
These have been obtained just in the past few months.
I will start with the Ferguson's.
There were two marriages for William King Ferguson. He was born abt 1763. His first marriage was to Hanna Wilson (born possibly 28 February 1777) in Crossmolina and was buried 26 May 1830 in the cemetery at Drumachose Church (of England).
William King Ferguson then married Ellen Jane Osborne 17 November 1837 at Bovevagh Presbyterian Church. In the records it shows William H Ferguson & Ellenor Osborne. Witnesses were Joe Barnett and Wm Ritchie. William King Ferguson was a Slater & Glazier, (not a hatter).
Edward Augustus Ferguson born 4 September 1838 was christened on 23 September 1838 in Drumachose Christchurch CI Limavady. His Parents were William King Ferguson & Ellen Jane Ferguson of Kennaught.
Willaim King Ferguson died 28 September 1839, a year after Edward's birth. His age was 76. Records Drumachose Christchurch CI. buried by Robert Gage.
For Ellen Jane these details are taken off her death certificate. She was born Ellen Jane Osborne circa 1818 Inneskillen. Father Joseph Osborne Farmer & Mother Nancy Sproule. She was 55 years in the colony. She died in Nowra 11 July 1896 stating she was 78. On her death certificate it states she had two marriages. The first 18 years of age to Ferguson and had one child Edward Augustus Ferguson. The children below are listed under her second marriage to Henry Montgomery. The informant on Ellen Jane's death was her eldest daughter Anne. I now have regular contact with one of GG Grandaughters of Ellen Jane & Henry. Both her and I share Ellen Jane as our GG Grandma.
After she became a Ferguson in 1837 & her husband William King Ferguson died in 1939 she married Henry Montgomery born circa 1820 place Balteagh, Londonderry. Henry Montgomery's Parents were James Montgomery & Mary Lochery. Ellen Jane Ferguson & Henry Montgomery married 9 October 1840 in Limavady.
14 April 1841 Ellen Jane & Henry arrive in Australia on the James Mathieson. Henry was a Stonecutter & Ellen Jane a Dairywoman. Edward Augustus Ferguson did not accompany them. Their first child born in Australia was Ann Gordon born 30 June 1841 in Jerrawanglo NSW. She then had Ellen S.F., Mary, Elizabeth, Catherine, Jane, Hannah, Henry, Agnes, Deborah, Rebecca, Nancy.
The shipping records states Ellen Jane Montgomery was 18 in 1840 but we all know dates can be out by a few years. The person certifying Ellen's baptism was Stern and Ellen could read. It also says she was a native of Tillydrimmy. Henry Montgomery's shipping records states he was a native of Beliamully and his baptism by Stern P. Minister.
Both Ellen's & Henry's Fathers were dead when they came to Australia.
Getting back to my Great Grandfather Edward Augustus Ferguson, past family said he was raised by his Grandmother and came to Australia with her at the age of 16. The only Grandma I could think it would be is Nancy Osborne nee Sproule. Maybe she married again.
Please know I do truly appreciate all your help. I hope that this post makes things more clear than all my previous posts when I started researching.
Glenys
Can we somehow attach this post to the research I have been doing in Derry. It will help to clarify information there also.
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I should say I have researched The National Library in Canberra.
Glenys
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"There is no positive evidence that Nancy was is Australia but written down in the family history way back it states that Edward Augustus Ferguson came to Australia with his Grandmother. Now both the Grandparents on the Ferguson side were dead. One dying in 1830 and the other in 1839. "
I find this a bit baffling. Edward Augustus Ferguson's Ferguson grandparents were the Parents of William King Ferguson, who you say was born about 1763 ? So William King Ferguson's parents died in 1830 and 1839 ? They were, like, 100 years old ?
I am wondering if you somehow skipped a generation. I know that 17 year old women sometimes marry 74 year old men, but not very often, and not unless they were very rich.
If Ellen Jane's mother was going to take off to Australia, and bring her grandson with her, then surely she would be heading to live with her daughter and not in some completely different place.
You mentioned he was about 16 years old, that would tie in with the peak of gold fever.
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It is a bit of a long shot, but there is an E A Montgomery, steward, from Ireland, arriving in 1854.
It is not unknown for the child of a father who dies when the child is very young, to start using the name of its mother's second husband.
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Thanks for your thoughts. I believe Edward always knew his name as Edward Augustus Ferguson because it has been written as that on all correspondence and certificates. Ellen Jane's DC states 1st child Edward Augustus Ferguson. Edward's DC states his Mum Ellen Jane Osborne. Edward had a secondary education and was a great reader and writer. Apparently when he died he left a large suitcase of writings and books behind...only to be thrown out by a family member. How often do we hear this story and imagine what would have been in there. History again gone on the rubbish heap.
Re. the William King Ferguson we always believed there to be two but research is suggesting that there may have only been the one and that she married an old guy. I have someone in N Ireland looking into it so hopefully that will be sorted out.
Edward Augustus Ferguson wife lived to be in her 90's and had a lot to do with the family, being her children and grandchildren. When the family history was written down decades ago they were definite about the facts. My brother talked to one of them at some length about it decades ago and he clearly remembers his Mum telling him what we have written down.
I wonder whether Edward ever visited his Mother in NSW. Maybe he never knew where she was or if she was alive. Maybe they didn't want him there or maybe he said hello and felt unwanted and moved on. In the family history it states " He grew up in a broken home and left as he wasn't happy and moved to Australia with his Grandmother at the age of 16." Perhaps we will never know anymore.
Glenys
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Would someone please see if they can find a record for my GGG Grandmother Nancy Osborne (nee Sproule).
Not sure of a birth date but probably somewhere between 1790 and 1800 in I
She may have come to Australia from Nth. Ireland around mid 1850's and to Victoria or NSW. I don't know if she died in Australia or returned to Nth. Ireland. I think if she came to Australia she probably stayed and died here. Her husband was Joseph Osborne and he died back in Ireland.
A wild guess could be around Burrier NSW but it is only a guess. Family rumour said Victoria.
Any help here is appreciated.
Thanks.
Glenys
I am not sure where to post this, as there have been many many thread looking for Princess' elusive Edward Augustus Ferguson....
I have just come across the immigration papers for Henry Montgomery and his wife, Ellen Jane, assisted passengers on the James Mathieson, arriving Sydney NSW April 1841. The information there shows that Ellen Jane's parents were Joseph OSBORNE and his wife Nancy SPROULE. Nancy Sproule is noted as dead on the document I have sighted (it is part of the NSW SRO holdings) (I interpret this to mean that Nancy died at sometime during Ellen's life in Ireland, perhaps years and years before Ellen migrated or perhaps the same year as Ellen boarded the ship)....
Also the paperwork required the couple (Henry and Ellen Jane) to provide details for "Male children, exceeding one, and under eighteen years" and "Female children, exceeding one, and under fifteen years". On Ellen Jane's documents those two sections are blank.
Cheers, JM