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Am not getting far with an early 20th century handwritten Tree relating to grtgrandfather who came to NZ 1874 Robert Price Edwards (b 17 Nov 1850). Salusbury/Whitchcote/Bowes/Judith Fowke/Thomas Jones (d 6 Nov 1779)/Edward Pierce/ (Pierce) Edwards/Hughes/Mary Roberts and places Denbigh/Pont y Glo farm/Gwyddelwern/Rhuddlan/Rhyl are in the picture but I can't shed real light on this paternal line.
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hi teriro and welcome to rootschat ;)
can you be a bit more specific in what you would like us to help you with please .
regards
trevor
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Hello & welcome from me.
Yes can you give us just 1 name to start with.The one you have the most info. on would be best.There are several Pen y Bryn's in Wales do you know which County?
jim
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given that the 1851 census was 31/3, a child born the previous November would be 4 months old. There are only 2 on the 1851 census that I can see, one in Trevethin, Monmouthshire and this one who may fit
Is Glan, Cwm, Flintshire HO107/2506 folio 54 pg 19
Frederick Edwards head mar 28 farmer of 160 acres employing 7 labourers b. Flintshire, Rhuddlan
Mary wife 25 b. Denbighshire, Gyffylliog
Mary Ann dau 4 b. Rhuddlan
John son 2 b. Rhuddlan
Thomas son 1 b. Rhuddlan
Robert son 4 months b. Rhuddlan
Margaret Roberts niece in law 15 b. Denbighshire, Llanrhaedr
+ 6 servants
marriage reg
Frederick Edwards march qtr 1846 Saint Asaph vol 27 pg 285 with Mary Roberts the only other on the page
change of occupation for Frederick by 1861
27 High St, Rhyl (parish of Rhuddlan) RG9/4296 folio 66 pg 8
Frederick Edwards head mar 40 joiner b. Rhyl
Mary wife 36 b. Denb, Gyffylliog
Robert son 10 b. Flintshire, Cwm
William son 8 b. Cwm
Frederick son 6 b. Cwm
Susannah dau 4 b. Denbighshire
Henry Cohen visitor 46 commercial traveller b. London
Likely baptism for Frederick in extracted batch C056711 for Rhuddlan
Frederic bp 11/5/1820 son of John Edwards & Susannah Hughes
1841 Pen y Bryn, Cefndu, Rhuddlan HO107/1412/26 folio 31 pg 6
Susannah Edwards 50 farmer
John 25
Anne 25
Robert 25
Frederick 21
Cornelius 15
William 14
Susannah 12
+ 6 servants
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Frederick's father died in 1831 without making a will. The administration of his estate on behalf of Susannah can be accessed here, diocese is St Asaph
http://cat.llgc.org.uk/cgi-bin/gw/chameleon?skin=profeb&lng=en
Pen y Bryn came from the Hughes family. The 1820 will of Jane Hughes, mother of Susannah, is on the site as well. It was written in 1809 and John & Susannah were married at that time.
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Am slow getting this! Saw ttrevor asked what I needed, specifically, to know, wanted to reply but unable to work out how... came here; found much information (thank you osprey) am yet to read. Last night rang father (b 1923, RG (Dick) Scott) to question validity of this handwritten will addressed to his aunt Hilda. He's blank though he visited family places in NWales. Then by entering 'Judith Bowes m John Salusbury', found its likely source in Burkes Peerage... am about to delve into it. My father an only child... most of Robert Price Edward's 14 children were without issue. Know nothing about any distant relatives, or the origins of this wealthy NWales family. Am curious too about possible Jewish blood...
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The way to reply is what you've done. It's best to keep all the info on one thread.
there's another Hughes will at the NLW as well, that of Thomas, the father of Susannah and wife of Jane, who died in 1805.
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wrong relationship now corrected
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Dear osprey... thank you very much indeed...after my fruitless travails, with one stroke you have our Edwards! So will accurate, around this pt anyway. After Robert (Price), William (Peter) d Wellington!, Fred R, Jane F b 25 Aug 1863, Sarah, Peter (d infant) Susanah (b 1857, d 20 Dec 1882), and last Jane (b 1860 d infant). Thomas had 2 dau; Jane P or F? 2 child. As well offspring, would like to know of Fred R. b 2 Feb 1855 Smallwood, Vicar of Holywell as failed to find.
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er, how sure are you that he was a vicar? He's still at home in Rhyl with his widowed mother in 1881 and he's a builder's clerk. RG11/5528 folio 12 pg 18. His place of birth is given as Cwm in 1861 & 1881, and as Tremeirchion in 1871.
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FT says "Fred R b 2 Feb 1855 at Holywell d aged about 40 [and beneath] Smallwood Vicar of Holywell" . Says "John b 9 April 1848 builder; Thomas b 22 Sept 1849 chemist 2 daughters Blodwyn and Lillian. William (Peter) b 20 July 1852 d Wellington 1902." Would like to know more too of Jane P (1863) and Sarah b 21 June (1865). Thanks again... have looked but not found and also not had time lately...
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I can give you 1871 & 1881 census entries
1871 13 Albert Tce, Rhyk RG10/5668 folio 32 pg 32
Frederick Edwards head 50 joiner b. Rhyk
Mary wife 44 housekeeper b. DEnbighshire, Llanrhaedr
William son 18 draper b. Flintshire, Tremeirchion
Frederick son 16 clerk b. Tremeirchion
Susannah dau 14 b. Denbighshire, Abergele
Jane dau 8 b. Rhyl
Sarah dau 6 b. Rhyl
1881 Albert Tce, Rhyl RG11/5528 folio 12 pg 18
Mary Edwards head widow 56 b. Denbighshire, Gyfylliog
Frederick son 26 builders clerk b. Flintshire, Cwm
Susannah dau 24 dressmaker b. Denbighshire, Bettws
Jane dau 18 milliner b. Rhyl
Sarah dau 16 b. Rhyl
Would look for more but I'm just off to start a 12 hour day.
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Thank you. Ask a busy person! Now I am even more curious about osprey! I still haven't got this even in small measure as haven't been able to devote right time to it... Can I access the census from NZ? (duh... I write I see above some clues... ) Wish I could reciprocate...one of your family names... a Vincent married my grandma Rosabel Susannah Edward's sister Hilda... one child, Pamela.
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the census is available on various commercial sites, Ancestry and Findmypast are probably the most popular. Have to sayI find Ancestry the easiest to use for searching in Wales as Findmypast shows registration district in its results and if you're searching for a common name, you can get too many hits.
I had a quick look for the family in 1891 & saw a possible for Jane, but none of others are obvious.
My Vincents are from around Stithians in Cornwall.
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had a another look, don't know how I missed these entries :-[
1881 26 Wellington Road, Rhyl RG11/5528 folio 76 pg 8
John Edwards head mar 32 builder
Margaret wife 26
Sarah A dau 3
Margaret M dau 5 months
Catherine Hughes 13 general servant
all born Rhyl
1891 34 Princess St, Rhyl RG12/4627 folio 26 pg 10
John Edwards head mar 43 builder
Margt wife 37
Anne Mary dau 13
Sarah Jane dau 12
Margt Myfanwy dau 10
Julia Dorathy dau 9
Elizabeth dau 5
Edith Gladys dau 2 months
Frederick R brother unm 36 builder's assistant
Susannah dau 7
all born Rhyl, all enumerated as speaking both Welsh & English apart from little Edith
I can see Julia & Susannah in 1901 working as servants in Rhyl, & Margaret working as a draper's saleswoman in Ruthin.
This may be John's death reg
John Edwards 47 june qtr 1895 St Asaph vol 11b pg 245
1901 4 Gronant St , Rhyl RG13/5236 folio 105 pg 22
Margaret Edwards head widow 46
Anne M dau 23
Edith G dau 9
Blodwyn dau 7
Mary Rogers lodger widow 65 dressmaker b. Denbighshire, Abergele
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possible death reg for Frederick's widow
Mary Edwards 62 dec qtr 1887 St Asaph vol 11b pg 233
There's a possible for Thomas in Liverpool in 1881 and then this 1891
5 Yanwath St, Toxteth Park, Liverpool RG12/2936 folio 77 pg 33
Thomas Edwards head mar 41 chemist b. Flintshire, Cwm
Mary wife 30 b. Caernarvonshire, Conway
Blodwen dau 1 b. Liverpool
1901 1 Bank St Villas, Brierly Hill, Staffordshire RG13/2701 folio 57 pg 15
Thomas Edwards head amr 51 chemist's manager b. Flintshire, Cwm nr Rhyl
Mary wife 42 b. Caernarvonshire, Conway
Blodwen dau 11 b. Lancashire, Liverpool
Lilian dau 5 b. Liverpool
can't seem to spot Fred after 1891
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Hi,
John Edwards is my relation - I have the relevant wills and quite a lot of knowledge about the family and area.
However, I'm stuck at his parents, whereas I've got a little further with Susannah.
Would like to hear how your relations arrive - I have Frederic 11/5/1820 in between Peter and Cornelius.
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Have old pencilled will which starts @ Elizabeth Norris of Spike and 1st Sir John Salusbury Bach y Graig and here, as written, this part may be of help:
Children of John Edwards b. Pen y Bryn buried Rhuddlan 31 Dec 1830 aged 54 and Miss Hughes Pen y Bryn:
John; Peter [no dates]; Thomas 1806, buried Ruddlan 24.8.1845; Cornelius d. 1891; Frederick b. 5.5.1820 d. 9.9.74; Susanah; Robert [no dates]
Frederick Edwards married Mary Roberts of Rhyl b. 8.5.1824 d. 15.10.1887
Mary Anne 6.7.1846, John 9.4.48, Thomas 22.9.49, Robert (my ggpa) b.17.11.50 d. NZ 14.4.1924; William (Peter) b. 20.7.52 d. NZ 1902; Fred.R. b. 2.2.55 at Holywell d. aged about 40 Smallwood Vicar of Holywell; Jane P b. 25.8.63 married 2 child; Sarah b 21.6.65
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Hi Teriro!
Thanks for the reply - yes its definitely my lot.
I didnt know we had relations in NZ!
Big question - do you know John Edwards birthplace and parents? I have him as 54 at death.
The other names all mean something t o me, Jones, Foulke etc. They appear to be from an illustrious pedigree which could include Thomas Pennant.
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Hi mikk1! John's parents according to selfsame will were John Pierce Edwards b 1746 (at Gwyddelwern) and unknown... It's written: "married to? if daughter of Nant y glo Farm Colwyn. and re John I suppose "Lived at Pont Ushe Llangwyla Denbigh - left about 1812. Supposed to have lived at Nant y glo or Pont y glo Farm in 1800 - Parish of Colwyn."
Why don't you contact me direct on * especially seeing we are rellies? (My maiden name is Jacqueline Gene Scott.) Would be good to be in touch and compare notes.
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Hi Jacky
Looks like the wbsite banned your email address but luckily I saw it first. Did you get my reply?
Regards - Mik
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I am sorry rootschat.. I wasn't aware of protocol (had 3 postings... tho maybe not right sort?) Yes got your (very anonymous) message... Robert Price Edwards my pa's pa was outstanding in NZ. Architect of some lovely civic buildings, NZ's largest brickworks... developed kiln now a showpiece... 14 kids with Ellen Tricklebank all survived tho generally "seedless raisins" as grandma put it, and dissipated the substantial wealth he made. How do we go beyond Salusbury and Elizabeth Norris of Speke, or is it Spike? And do you have contact with Thomas the chemist's folk Blodwyn and Lillian or those of Janet P (b 25 May 1863)?
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the message removed your email address before you get an influx of spam. It's fine for you two to contact each other by pm - click on the little green scroll under the user name - or to exchange info offsite by email. There are people out there ( not members!) who will take advantage of email addresses on open boards like this, so the removal of the address was to protect you and your computer.
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Thanks again dear Osprey... :-[ (hope this is how to use faces!) Am now back into and see what you mean abt Fred R supposed Vicar. His place of birth is given as Holywell 2 Feb 1855, d abt 40... praps he could have become a vicar in 10 yrs?
Also did not thank 2 others back in May for welcome. The thread needing to be repaired is John Edward's (d 1830 @ 54) unknown Hugues wife, and then his pa John (Pierce)'s (b 1746 Gwyddelwern) wife.
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John's wife was Susannah, married before 1809. Have a look back at the first page of the post and the wills mentioned which you can check on the link I gave you. Think I've just spotted an error, Thomas Hughes was husband of Jane. Will correct now.
I don't have access to Crockford's, the clergy database, perhaps someone else can help you with that. I haven't found Fred after 1891.