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Good afternoon all.
Hoping for a breakthrough on this last hurdle of my tree.
If anyone can help, i'd be really chuffed.
Looking for the parents of Martin Rattigan. b:1851 in Roscommon, Ireland.
Settled in Huddersfield, West Yorkshire, and married Winnifred King (Dtr of John King b:1807 Ireland. and of Lincoln/Doncaster).
Martin & Winnifred also had a son named Martin (My Great Grandfather) and he married Edith Vickerman in Huddersfield.
*** I'd like to trace the parents of Martin Rattigan (Sr) b:1851, and possibly find out when he came to Huddersfield. Long shot i know, but a massive part of the family tree.
Many thanks for your help on this, and indeed in previous threads. Thank you. :-)
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Marriage certificate should give name and occupation of father??
On FreeBMD Marriage reg Martin's surname is transcribed as " Rocktegan"
Suz
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Thanks for that Suzard.
And apologies for the late reply. (Only just noticed your post)
Thanks again.
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Hi Fozgraven,
Unfortunately the only way of knowing when your ancestor moved from Ireland to England is by when he marries over here, or when he first appears on a census, or if he is already married and had children born both in Ireland and England.
In your Martin's case -- I cannot find him on the 1871 census (unless his name is spelt in a really odd way). However he married in 1873 -- so you would think he came over to England after 2/4/1871 (the date of the census) -- and before his marriage. He would need time to meet Winifred and presumably 'court' her first!! Hence you have a fairly small 'window' though, and could realistically say he came to England about 1871/2.
As Suzard says - you can obtain his father's name from the marriage cert -- but according to the 1881 census - his eldest child is named John - so that may be the father's name.
There is a subscription website for Irish Parish records whoch you could try -- RootsIreland -- or the Irish records on Family Search perhaps.
Regards June
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hi Foxgraven I am also trying to find Martin rattigan from Ireland.My late Husbands greatgrandfather who was married to Winifred,but I keep getting contradictions my husbands grandfather was Michael Joseph he had a brother called Martin and everything matches your great grandfather except Martin was married to Mary Stead 27th of June 1908 and both Michael and Martin were married from the same address Idid find 2 Rattigans on the 1871 census Martin age 21 and a John age 29 and they were boarders so was that about the time he came over from ireland, were they brotherts or cousins? Ialso found A John who was married to Ellen Kelly and the childrens names of both are very similar but dates dont match. and John had a son named Patrick who died at the somme and his wife lived in the same street in Huddersfield that my Husbands Grandfather lived so were they related? I am going to write to the church were martin was married.and also to a man in roscommon whose family haved livedthere for a few generations if I get anywhere I will let you know good luck Marlene
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Hello Marlene.
Thanks for your post.
It seems we have the same connections, with a few details to iron out.
I would be very happy to talk further with you, to discuss further.
Thanks again.
hi Foxgraven I am also trying to find Martin rattigan from Ireland.My late Husbands greatgrandfather who was married to Winifred,but I keep getting contradictions my husbands grandfather was Michael Joseph he had a brother called Martin and everything matches your great grandfather except Martin was married to Mary Stead 27th of June 1908 and both Michael and Martin were married from the same address Idid find 2 Rattigans on the 1871 census Martin age 21 and a John age 29 and they were boarders so was that about the time he came over from ireland, were they brotherts or cousins? Ialso found A John who was married to Ellen Kelly and the childrens names of both are very similar but dates dont match. and John had a son named Patrick who died at the somme and his wife lived in the same street in Huddersfield that my Husbands Grandfather lived so were they related? I am going to write to the church were martin was married.and also to a man in roscommon whose family haved livedthere for a few generations if I get anywhere I will let you know good luck Marlene
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Marriage certificate should give name and occupation of father??
On FreeBMD Marriage reg Martin's surname is transcribed as " Rocktegan"
Suz
Just to clarify things - the entry appears in the GRO Index as:
Rocktegan, Martin and also Rocktigan, Martin with the marriage registered in Huddersfield, 9a, page 914 - September quarter 1873
FreeBMD transcribers are told they MUST only transcribe what they see ;)
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Hi Foxgraven, sorry I havent answered you sooner,but my internet has been down and I have just had it sorted.Iwould like to talk to you too,we just might be able to solve this together but how can we do this. marlene
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Marlene - you will need to make one more post (answering this one again should do it) and then you can use the Private Messaging System to contact Foxgraven. If you look uder Foxgraven's name (on the left of the screen) you will see a circle incorporating a page of writing. Click on that and you can send your message direct, and perhaps exchange e-mail addresses - we are not allowed to post e-mail addresses openly, in order to avoid SPAM.
Good luck to you both.
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Hi foxgraven thank you for your reply look forward to hearing from you . good luck Marlene
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Hello, my mothers maiden name was Sarah Ellen Rattigan, my mother married Jack Wellington Hirst. I believe her father lost his leg in the 1st world war and on his return was employed as a fruit and vegetable seller by a horse and cart, his name was Martin Rattigan, her mothers maiden name was Edith Vickerman and they lived in Prospect Street Huddersfield. Maybe you can back trace the information by contacting Kirklees Council Births and Deaths. Its many years ago since she and my mother died so I am going on my memory and at 76 Years its not that good. Hope this is the information you was looking for.
Best Regards,
Geoffrey Hirst.
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Welcome to RootsChat - Geoffrey. ;D
Unfortunately this is an old topic, and neither Marlene nor Fozgraven have been on-line for a number of years. However, your information may well be of use to others.
Good luck and if we can be of any help to you in your family research, then please feel free to start a new topic with your question/s.
:)
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Geoffrey,
this would be your Mother's birth reference:
Births September quarter 1911
Sarah E Rattigan mmn Vickerman Huddersfield 9a 555
There were more Rattigan/Vickerman births in Huddersfield in 1921 and 1924 (Blanche and Eileen).
Martin's surname, at marriage, appears to have been recorded as Rocktigan
Added:
more Rocktigan/Vickerman births in Huddersfield 1913 - 1919, Alice, Edith, Annie, Irene and Agnes.
Martin and Edith and family showing on 1939.
Martin appears in various newspaper reports, not all of them favourably. He appears to have lost a leg at some stage.
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Hello, Family! I just came across this thread from years ago and wanted to chime in. I am the great granddaughter of Margaret Ellen Rattigan. She is the daughter of Martin and Winifred Rattigan, so I guess I am the great, great granddaughter of Martin and Winifred. This part of the family settled in the suburbs of Chicago, Illinois, USA. It would be lovely to find other family out there! Cheers to the Rattigans :)