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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: lilun on Saturday 26 May 12 10:27 BST (UK)
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Hi, I'm hoping you can help find any further information on my Great Aunt Nellie Grace Smith born 1897 Croydon Surrey England, parents William Smith and Mary Jane Haddow.
She emigrated to Australia sometime between 1917 - 1925.
She was an army nurse in Boulogne 1917 and I have a photos of her on a beach somewhere in Australia in 1925 and another with her partner, Peter, in 1938. All information we have about him is his first name and that he may of been italian.
I also have a postcard of St John's C of E Cathedral which she states she attended every Sunday from her address: 207, Wharf St, Brisbane, Queensland.
According to what we know she died 18th August 1940. I have located a possible death record for a Helen Grace Smith 1940 and two possible electoral rolls for 1934 but I have been unable to find anything else.
Any help would be appreciated.
Regards
Deb
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Removed in error :)
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Father William Smith - Mother Mary Jane Haddow
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There is this registration in NSW, a long way from Brisbane.
12072/1940
SMITH Helen Grace
2O YRS Griffith
Registered at Griffith.
Leanne
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Hi Leanne,
Does the '20yrs' apply to age? If so it isn't her I'm afraid, she was born in 1897 making her 43/44 when she died
Thanks anyway
Deb
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Hi,
207 Wharf st Brisbane was 'Greenmount' boarding house during that era.
Interesting that there was a Nellie Brown, dressmaker residing there in 1922 and 1934, but cant see a Nellie Grace Smith at Greenmount in the 1922 & 1934 electoral rolls.
Regards
Gerry
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The 20 years could be an indication of age, it may be an indication of how long this Nellie had been in the country, if she was a migrant, it certainly indicates that whomever registered this death did not know the family details for this lady.
Someone will be along to explain it better I am sure.
I can see no corresponding death registration in QLD for 1940.
Leanne
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In 1920 there was an ex WWI soldier from Brisbane applying for his fiancee's passage to Australia:
Ex No 13402 Dvr Robert Harold Jones ACMT - Passage for fiancee Miss Grace Nellie Smith.
http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/using/search/
His service record is online:
http://mappingouranzacs.naa.gov.au/details-permalink.aspx?barcode_no=1821883
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Thanks to you all for your interesting replies.
Gerry - she could possibly have been boarding there but under her partners name maybe?
Leanne - I don't know if her partner Peter would have known her parents names, he knew her sisters, Edith and Dorothy, as I have the letter he wrote them in July 1942. He mentions she died 18th August and we figured slow mail being wartime she died 1940, so it possibly could be 1940/41.
Merlin - The passage could possibly be her but I'm struggling to find the relationship between the soldier and her, as far as we know she never married
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The application for passage is highly likely to be hers but without seeing a copy of the file we don't know if it was granted or not & she could have come at her own expense. Passages were granted for overseas wartime wives but she was not one.
Robert Harold JONES married another lady 1925 in Brisbane QLD anyway, so perhaps she arrived too late or they called off their engagement at sometime.
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A search on "207 Wharf Street" on Trove (http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/ ) shows that Grace Valos, the wife of Peter Valos, of that address, died in August 1940. On Queensland BMD her death is indexed with father noted as "Smith".
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Death:
VALOS Grace d. 18/08/1940 Brisbane #B49022
Father's Name: SMITH
Mother's Name: -
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Burial:
VALOS Grace age 40yrs
Burial: 19/08/1940
Lutwyche Cemetery
Cnr Lutwyche and Kitchener Rds, Kedron, QLD
Part: Monumental
Portion: GP4
Section: 37
Grave: 25
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Obit:
VALOS Grace, 207 Wharf Street, City— The Relatives and Friends of Mr. P. Valos, Wharf Street, City, and Mr. J. Valos, are respectfully lnformed that the remains of their dearly loved Wife, and Sister-in-law, Grace Valos, will be Interred in Lutwyche Cemetery.
The cortege Is appointed to leave the Parlour, 400 Wickham Street, Valley, This (Monday) Afternoon, at 2.30 o'clock, arriving Cemetery, 2.55. Arrangements by GUARDIAN FUNERAL SERVICES— B3090, B4773.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/40929053
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BEREAVEMENT NOTICES - Return Thanks:
MR. PETER VALOS, of 207 Wharf Street, Brisbane, wishes to THANK all kind Relatives and friends for their floral tributes and expressions of sympathy shown in his recent sad bereavement. Please accept this as my personal thanks.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/40929745
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:o :o :o :o
Oh my goodness!!! I think I'm going to have to read and re-read this several times!! You've found her! and found soooo much about her too...and him!!! Unbelievable! I am truly gobsmacked!!
She has been the only sibling we have not been able to trace anything about. My Mum, her niece, will be absolutely thrilled :)
Cannot thank you enough - many many thanks!
Regards
Deb
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Deb,
I could take a photo of the grave site if you want it.
Regards
Gerry
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Hi,
A possibility.
1931 NSW Sands Directory has a P. Valos, fruiterer and G. Valos, Fish Shop, both in Casino.
Gerry
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It seems the surname was Vlahos there a few mentions of PEter and his brother James on trove
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The surname is Greek & mostly appears as VLAHOS or VALOS in AUS.
The original spelling in Greece was know to be VLACHOS.
I know many by the name in VIC & most the families are descended from shepherds & farmers in the hills of Greece :)
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1936/1937 Electoral Roll
Peter VALOS, Greek Club, Charlotte Street, Cook
Grace VALOS, 207 Wharf Street, Brisbane, Home Duties
1943
Peter VALOS, Greek Club, Charlotte Street, Cook
Wharf Street has changed a bit since the 1930's ;D The Hellenic (Greek) Club was at 46 Charlotte Street and is now a Police station.
Debra :)
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Many thanks again for all your replies.
Gerry - a photo would be greatly appreciated :)
sue21757 - interesting reading
Merlin - the name spelling brings up more information which I'll have to look into.
Debra - thank you for electoral rolls they tie alot together
I spoke with Mum last night. She told me they definitely were married, (I didn't know!) as to when is still a mystery :-\
Mum was unsure as to why Nellie Grace emigrated, possibly sense of adventure after serving in France, but also possibly ties in with the passenger list Merlin found - will be looking into it further as they both appeared to serve in France the same year
Many thanks to you all
Regards
Deb
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1939 Electoral Roll
Grace Valos, 207 Wharf St, Brisbane, home duties.
Peter Valos, Greek Club Charlotte St, Brisbane, Cook.
1943
Peter Vlahos, Corones Hotel, Charleville, chef.
1949
Peter Vlahos, High St Boonah, Cafe Proprietor.
Gerry
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Possibly James VLAHOS - (Demetrius VLAHOS) applying for Naturalisation in 1948:
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/49636661
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Site well worth reading & investigating further.
VOLOS/VALOS Bros - Peter VLAHOS of the village of Exanthia on Lefkadia in the Ionian Islands:
http://freepages.misc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~aliens/chapter_10.htm#Casino%20%E2%80%93%201920s/30s
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Naturalisation for a VLAHOS P at NAA:
http://naa.gov.au/collection/using/search/
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All interesting + well worth reading
Thanks to you all
Regards
Deb
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Deb,
I have visited the Lutwyche Cemetery and located Grave 25, Row 37 in GP 4 but unfortunately there is no inscription for Grace, in fact there is nothing at all, just a plot.
Either side have MIs for burials in August 1940 but there is nothing for Grace.
Gerry
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Hi,
I had a feeling there wouldn't be.
Thank you muchly for taking the time to go Gerry
I have been unable to find any record of their marriage either, any help with this would be appreciated, no worries if not
Regards
Deb
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The name Vlahos actually suggests that at some point in the nearer or more distant past, his ancestry was ethnic Romanian rather than ethnic Greek.