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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (West Riding) => Topic started by: toniguzzi on Friday 25 May 12 10:20 BST (UK)
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hi
hoping to find a lead on a Matthew Whitfield ,b 1823 ive found 2 records
he married an Isabella !, and shows born locations as alendall Yorshire !!!! cannot find any thing like this or a bit more weird B House Harrogate = possibly the registration office Bilton house , park road (then ) it is now of births etc
he moved to Crook in wear valley
but i was hoping to find out who isabella was and any previous on Matthew
any help appreciated
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Hi,
Do you have Matthew on the 1851 census living with his mother Eleanor? There is an Isabella included in the family but she is recorded as daughter ???
HO107; Piece: 2389; Folio: 437; Page: 3
Could this be the Mathew you are looking for?
JJ
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Could the place of birth be Allendale in Northumberland?
If you go to the GenUKI page for Allendale (http://www.genuki.bpears.org.uk/NBL/Allendale/index.html), there is a link to:
The Whitfields of Allendale!
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hi jjen
no dosent sound like him !! i cant understand why you would use a registry office in harrogate as a place of birth
and KGarrad
wish it was allendale in northumberland but im pretty sure its Yorks, harrogate area ive seen a coppy of 2 census that confirm Yorks
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The modern Harrogate combined the towns of Low Harrogate (in Pannal parish) and High Harrogate (Knaresborough parish).
Checking GenUKI's "Where is it in Yorkshire", the following comes up:
Beckwith House, Pannal
More likely, I would suggest, than a Register Office? ;D
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confusing
i did see a B.house harrogate on a record but cant find it now , but have found this
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NLZ7-18N
may help if anyone can see the original record
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hi
hoping to find a lead on a Matthew Whitfield ,b 1823 ive found 2 records
he married an Isabella !, and shows born locations as alendall Yorshire !!!! cannot find any thing like this or a bit more weird B House Harrogate = possibly the registration office Bilton house , park road (then ) it is now of births etc
he moved to Crook in wear valley
but i was hoping to find out who isabella was and any previous on Matthew
any help appreciated
I think you may have found "Alendall" on 1871 Census - which is very mistranscribed
I'll post the 3 census which look like Him
1861
Sunny Side Durham
Matthew Whitfield head M 38 Coal Miner B.House Yorks
Isabellwife 36 Northumberland
Elizabeth daughter 9 scholar Tow Lane Durham
Susann daughter 7 scholar Bun??y Hill Durham
John son 5 Colliery Dikes Northumberland
RG9 3715 47 16
1871
Ferry Hill Durham
Matthew Whitfield Head M 48 coal miner Allendale Yks
Isabella wife 47 Hatton lane Northumberland
John son 15 coal miner Dy?on Northumberland
Arthur Ward Lodger 20 (crossed through)
Isabella Whitfield daughter 9 scholar Sunnyside Durham
John Ward Boarder U 23 lab Ferry Hill Durham
RG10 4911 44 25
1881
Quarry House Cottages Lanchester Durham
Matthew Whitfield 58 coal miner Bilton (crossed through) Yorks
Isabel wife 57 Nothumberland
John Thomas Barker grandson 12 Kelloe Durham
Isabel Barker granddaughter 10 Kelloe Durham
James Barker grandson Kelloe Durham
RG11 4949 96 15
May help with the research
I cannot find any connection with Harrogate?????
Suz
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hi Suz
thanks for help again
ive got these records but im stuck its this b.house or Bilton in yorkshire that i can't
find anywhere the only thing is harrogate records house which is Bilton House !!!!!
very confusing i dont think the Geordie census takers could understand a yorkshireman LOL
thanks jjen i do have 1851 record
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I think you have to get the idea of the register office out of your head! ;D
The column on the census asked for "Where Born", and the enumerators were instructed to put a town or village, county, or country.
I have never seen a house name mentioned on any census.
And the 1881 census doesn't say Bilton!
It's the same place of birth as grandson John Thomas (Kelloe?) And, as Suzard says, it's been crossed out.
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Hi there
There is a Bilton, just over a mile from Harrogate, which also includes
Bilton Dene, and Bilton Hall in the same area. If its crossed out on the
census that means he wasn't born there.
Phonetically Alendall with an accent is quite possibly Allendale.
You have to give some flexibility with the census due to the fact
they had heavy accents in those days and also most people
could not correct the spelling as they could not read or write.
???
regards
Sandymc
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Hi there
Phonetically Alendall with an accent is quite possibly Allendale.
You have to give some flexibility with the census due to the fact
they had heavy accents in those days and also most people
could not correct the spelling as they could not read or write.
???
regards
Sandymc
1871 census p.o.b.on image is Allendale - it is only the transcription which is Allendall
Suz
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Ya i sed t'at it is. Yorkshire is a viking speel cut down as ye spek
't and only Yorkies na wat u sayin'
Try getting Allendale, Northumberland owt t'at laugh
regards Sandymc
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My point was that on the image it was written as "Allendale" so it is nothing to do with misunderstanding
We should always look at the image and from that transcribe what we read ( that also saves us from breaking copyright rules)
The image has been transcribed as "Allendall" - I believe the transcriptions were done electronically ???
Suz
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There is a Bilton, just over a mile from Harrogate, which also includes
Bilton Dene, and Bilton Hall in the same area. If its crossed out on the
census that means he wasn't born there.
It's not even Bilton/Belton, because it begins with "K"! ;D
See snippet - 1st entry is Matthew; 3rd line is grandson John Thomas.
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hi KGarrad
if you look at the 3 census copies
1861 B.House, Yorshire
1871 Allendall , Yorkshire
1881 Bilton , yorkshire
the one your looking at looks like he put one of his kids as kellah (in his line perhaps reason it was crossed out), pronunciation , spelt Kelloe, about 5mile from Sumby hill Crook where Susan eleanor his daugter was born in 1853.
i have hime residence in ferrhilly in 1871 about a mile from Kelloe
but it still does not explain the reference on the census to yorks/ yorkshire & Bilton
i cannot track him any firther back ::)
i wish it was allendale im sure it would be much easier and make more sense.
even worse hi wife isabella Davison comes from a tiny hamlet near berwick upon tweed hatton law, lowick
and i cant find her parents .
sandymc47 comments are being looked at but once again lots of dead ends
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the one your looking at looks like he put one of his kids as kellah (in his line perhaps reason it was crossed out), pronunciation , spelt Kelloe, about 5mile from Sumby hill Crook where Susan eleanor his daugter was born in 1853.
"He" didn't put anything!
What you are seeing is what the enumerator wrote down, and that is based on what he thought he heard!! ;D
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ok hope i solved my whitfield side
as i couldnt find a bilton etc ... i looked further and found
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/SBPQ-J3Y
which nicely laid out a whitfield family in arkengarthdale
could Arkengarthdale or Arkendale sound like Allendale to a geordie when spoken to by a yorkshireman
there is a small chance that bilton could be milton a small village nr there , but i followed this family to
Brough under stainmore , then when father died joshua whitfield d 1844 in brough , the family moved to
leadgate/ medomsley area and seems exteneded family as well the Beckwith and Lightburn !!!
this fell in nicely with marriage of Matthew to isabella Davison in Medomsley in 1845
id still like to take whitfield line further my last link is john whitfield b about 1745, married 1769 to Margaret Raw possibly in Arkengarthdale
Also i wonder why the whole family moved to Brough for a few years , I did notice a long line of whitfield in Brough going back a long way but couldnt link them
Any help appreciated
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My suggestion may mislead you so be careful ! There is a village called
Arkendale not far from Harrogate.
Gragareth.
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hi Gragareth
ive managed to confirm the line by locating borthers and sisters all in the same place around medomsley / leadgate all match ok so im 100% this is my family
and traced them all ok the other brothers / sisters have a mixture of Arkengarthdale and Arkendale on census entries
so i think i can close my Whitfield heritage off back to John b 1745 Arkengarthdale married to Margaret Raw b1744
cant seem to get any further though